This Week on Broadway for October 25, 2015: Michael Riedel and Razzle Dazzle


Peter Filichia, James Marino and Michael Portantiere chat with Michael Riedel about his new book, Razzle Dazzle. We review The Bandstand @ Paper Mill, Romance Language, Trip of Love, and talk about Elizabeth Broadhurst in Oh, Kay! Also, Matt Tamanini reports in on a Television and Film update.


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Guest: Michael Riedel



Razzle Dazzle: The Battle for Broadway by Michael Riedel
Broadway’s most respected (and feared) commentator pulls back the curtain on its stars, its producers, and its mega-hits to reveal all the shocking drama, intrigue, and power plays that happened off stage.



READ:  Vanity Fair: Dreamgirls, Nine, and the Greatest Face-Off in Tony Award History
(Adapted from Razzle Dazzle: The Battle for Broadway, by Michael Riedel)

The New York Post

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Riedel’s previous appearances on This Week on Broadway —

— Flashback: This Week on Broadway for February 8, 2011: Special — The Spider-Man Reviews Are In

— Flashback: This Week on Broadway for July 19, 2009: First Night’s Fight Club



MP + PF: The Bandstand @ Paper Mill Playhouse, Millburn, NJ, through November 8, 2015

— Robert De Niro on New York, New York (Kander and Ebb)

MP: Romance Language @ Theater 511 at Ars Nova, 511 West 54th Street, through November 8, 2015

MP + PF: Trip of Love @ Stage 42, 422 West 42nd Street

MP: Musicals Tonight production of Oh, Kay! @ The Lion Theatre, 410 West 42nd Street, through October 25, 2015

Elizabeth Broadhurst



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coming up on friday deals this week on
Broadway he talked with Michael detail

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about his new book razzle-dazzle we
reviewed the bandstand a paper mill

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Romance language trip of love and we
talked about Elizabeth Broadhurst ok

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awesome at Tammany joins in to report on
a television and film update please stay

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hello and welcome to Broadway video this
week on Broadway for Sunday October 25th

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2015 my name is James doing the
broadcast this morning have Michael

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pourtant air heater phyllisha and Matt
M&E peter is the theater journalist and

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historian with a number of books this
most recent is the great parade of which

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is available everywhere his comments
appeared empty like Ritalin masterworks

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Broadway Broadway selected many other

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good morning peter the blinding also if
this is Michael put on tier michael is a

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theater reviewer and essayist whose work
appears to talk and Broadway the suntan

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review and Broadway stars he is also at
the actual photographer his photos have

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appeared in the New York Times and other
major publications you could see his

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photography work at follow us at

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good morning Michael good morning also
with this is Matt tammany matt is

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broader world senior TV and film critic
and right across other broader world

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site including broder World Orlando he
is the site advertising database manager

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matt is a director producer playwright
and services executive and co-artistic

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director of the squeaky wheel theater
project in Orlando you can connect with

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Matt through Twitter and had PWW match

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good morning that I’m good thank you
with us today we have a very special

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guests a man who needs no introduction
to our listeners Michael regal has with

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us michael is the guys and in fact it
went back and looked at our our notes

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michael is a return engagement ring to
the broadcast michael’s been with us

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before on this week and Broadway few
years back we’ll put a link in this in

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the notes to people want to go back and
listen to that but Michael site from his

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his duties pending a column at the New
York Post as had enough time to get out

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and write a book a very thick book
called razzle-dazzle the battle for

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broadway which is on the impact it may
be longer the region’s quickly as a

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trashy Jack Bauer you know i i i let me
be the judge of that

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as many books as Jackie Collins book how
did you talk somebody at Simon and

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Schuster into producing a broadway book
well I’ll be answered new proposal went

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around we had a number of dealers from
the major publishing houses at the

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concern was that Broadway books fall
into the Broadway gano elapsed yeah and

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you see most popular books are published
by smaller publishers like Lost offshore

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academic presses but simon schuster and
two or three other major publishers did

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respond to the aspect of the book that
the fortunes of one way to the fortunes

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of New York City and that in the
seventies when sixties and seventies

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York that’s like bankrupt and dangerous
road within a very perilous position as

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theater stayed alive and there were a
handful of people who stopped by

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Broadway and turned it around tried to
make the book that in saving Broadway

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they also have a chance of York City and
the publishers Simon Shuster in

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particular they thought that was a a
bigger picture to paint and that we then

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the history of New York’s ups and downs
and York’s revival with the revival on

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broadway but told for the stories of
these very colorful people who stopped

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by Broadway say that they thought that
book had a little more appeal than a

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book that is you know just a critical
survey let’s take the musicals stephen

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sondheim so you know they may have
installed but they’ve got it really is

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an excellent history book that I really
do believe will become a text book and

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many college courses and for those who
said he’s a gossip columnist I think

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you’ve shown that you’re substantially
more than that though I thank you Peter

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appreciate that I knew I cannot be right
there was no way I could widen the style

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my columns and your college especially
gotta be featured columnist

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snide and sarcastic in it she and the
attack and a little thing happen flair

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know the water which will tradition but
like not I’d written four hundred and

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thirty two-page book written in thirty
two-page book and a style would be

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tedious and the fourth page so I really
deliberately set out not to write in the

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style of a tablet that’s how they get
the interview I’ll give you something

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great old Broadway preachers and told me
their stories I realized they hold these

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anecdotes and these stories and they
reflected in a in a very theatrical

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compelling way and I had to get out of
the way and let them to only dust for

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read the the excerpt that was in vanity
fair was a bitch that part of it is is

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more specifically concerned with the
with the competition between nine and

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Dreamgirls for best musical which
absolutely fascinating itself with it

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was an epic it was an epic battle 1982
war between Michael Bennet’s Dreamgirls

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and Tommy tunes and I are you that you
will cuz I know about that story and I’m

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like a lot of rivalry with the tony
awards that this one was very interested

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in the end at work trying to do the book
because behind that behind that battle

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is the battle to build the Marriott
Marquis you know the very first thing

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that began to revitalize Times Square
but in order to build that hotel which

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remains of the ugliest piece of
architecture city but in order to build

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a hotel the city had to tear down the
aisle in hey here’s the moscow feeder

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two of his legendary theaters as well as
a little tiny theater called the big

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issue and the tearing down of those
theaters caused a civil war within the

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broader community because most of the
actors and playwrights they were all

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theaters they didn’t want a hundred
years of Natural History

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wiped out the schubert organization 30
Jacobs injuries to wrap our people

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players michael they were big proponents
of revitalizing Times Square and they

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could delay the schubert organization
behind those marquee a lot of people on

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broadway blame them for the long heaters
and all well and safe so to what at all

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between Dreamgirls produced by the
schubert organization and nine which was

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kind of a back by a lot of flying by the
seat of our pants young people numbers

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and Francine LeFrak you need a lender
was in there and say I’m calling you a

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chance where and when people lie about I
do believe they thought you know what we

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are so pissed off that burning Jerry for
wanting to build this horrible hotel

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we’re gonna end street and we’re going
to vote for nine and so that backstage

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got to be stopped officer tied in with
us we’re trying to tell about how Times

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Square was revitalized so that’s
absolutely give you an example of a

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gossipy bit but that also serves place
for more of a larger point I was trying

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to get out ok but the question becomes
Jerry made the statement in the book you

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you quote him as saying look these are
not musical theater’s visa playhouses

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and as a result they’re not going to get
the type of bookings that I’m gonna

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happen in the future because we’re
coming up becoming a much more musical

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centric Broadway do you agree with that
little did he know that now we take lots

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of playhouses quarter-on-quarter used
Isuzu sickle cell houses but I guess

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yeah I know he would have had no way of
knowing that I mean jerry was gary was

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to his credit really want a very very
first people to push and he pushed

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aggressively to revitalize Times Square
I mean will give a lot of credit to Rudy

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Giuliani and busy but they come much
later Jerry but fighting for this in the

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in the seventies you know form the
committee which was the very first

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public and private group of people who
really thought we gotta save time

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for Jerry it was without his business
was maritimes where he was going to go

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down the tubes so was the sugar
organization so he was doing it really

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to survive I’m ambivalent about the
whole situation I I love the dreidel

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Peters I think a place yet on the Moscow
Art Deco salesman premiered should still

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be with us and as my friend is ugly as I
think america marty is I cannot deny

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that it really did begin the
revitalization Times Square because

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nothing is nothing in Times Square about
them that would attract people who

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weren’t really on the lookout for shady
kinds of things and you’re gonna put a

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SoCal which while if you look at it
closely with designed like a bunker I

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see a lot of the eighth floor of the
risk it was designed to make people come

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to New York and he’ll face you’re
protected from there from what was going

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on around them in times square but it
was a reasonably priced hotel for middle

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and upper middle class people to venture
into new york and not feel terrified

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like they felt safe in the hotel

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burden-sharing new if you had people
coming in at hotel

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who were looking to go to legitimate
shall we say things that is broadway

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shows they were like they’re in the
neighborhood and that hotel country

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people into the Broadway theaters and
indeed that is I think over time what

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happened but you look at pictures of the
Helen Hayes in moscow they were they

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were wonderful theaters and there’s no
question that we lost 100 years of

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Broadway history with no seeders came
down and they weren’t Schubert it is

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either I don’t think perjury with
foreign powers that works for a couple

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of photos of the good although her
brother did bill both Michael and tell

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us about this

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the impetus behind behind this this book
that you’ve written when you know how

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did you decide to pick just these the
book ends of these years to tell this

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well I really wanted to get out of that
they would I want to show how

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from Broadway to the really to say that
the revitalization of New York City

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because for years and I i’ve lived as
you have free time square in its cd-da

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is and what it is today this morning
shiny tourist attraction that is no good

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generates and then massive income choreo
toward the city and Broadway too but I

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was interested in the struggle of how
Broadway really was saved back then and

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I have to want to get across the point
is I often hear people talk about 30

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like city they talk about sports scratch
you know we need a sports-themed build a

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new stadium now I’m always believed that
the arts are fundamental to a vital city

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and that when brought her down for the
count in Times Square was really seedy

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New York is one thing that no other city
in the world and that’s Broadway and

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people who worked on broadway who loved
broadway who whose lives were tied up

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too broadly they didn’t give up on your
district they started by it and they

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worked like hell and they really have a
lot of battles to turn around and say

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that I just think that broadway never
really got the proper credit and the

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Broadway theatre artists never got the
credit for doing their part to

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revitalize Times Square in New York City
I two stories from me in 1970 I guess it

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would have been I went with a friend to
see butterflies are free and we were not

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I wouldn’t exactly say mug but we were
strong-armed on the street in the middle

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of the day in Times Square right to
disreputable gentlemen it’s like giving

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them money and then a few years later I
guess the early eighties I was working

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in 1515 Broadway believe it or not and I
went out on my lunch hour Wednesday and

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somebody came up to me and pretended to
have or may be really did have a gun in

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his pocket and tried to get so this is
what the reality was back then and

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people are quite realize it well as
Michael rights i’d rather a thriving if

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touristy Times Square than a sad
derelict one and I agree with that

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I’m so curious it does seem like there’s
been a bit of a weird back turn lately

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with all of the negative publicity on
times square in terms of the Painted

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Ladies in the end the fairly aggressive
characters in costumes and also try

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pushing trying to put CDs we still gotta
tell you something I have to get a

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charity show credit when they when he
saw the plan for the Marriott Marquis

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Hotel in the understanding the plans
included a pedestrian plows and sharing

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with absolutely against the pedestrian
plaza will just be a place for shady

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nefarious people can gather and
harassing customers and that should be

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me what’s happening now and I really
think bill Ratner police commissioner

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and wat you may have to keep an eye on
that because it’s implied very quickly

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and once people begin to fear being
somewhere they start to fade away and

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that becomes a problem

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yes and you know Patti LuPone went on
record as saying how how how much she

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hates being in that area I know many
friends of mine say they avoided like

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the plague as I do we even saw an
example of a can’t remember now maybe

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one of the other guys does of a theater
an off-broadway theater that advertised

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as a plus the fact that it’s not in
Times Square it’s one of one of the

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several the official who talked about
Jerry’s efforts to say Times Square told

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me and Jerry had lived there were to be
no pedestrian plaza where the schubert

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organization with thought that tooth and
nail and they had a lot of influence a

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lot of influence with the city where
they were thinking of putting that

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pedestrian plaza there in the in the
late seventies not only to Jerry oh shit

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but so did the

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co-producer sorry Alex come to call the
with that it’s going to be needle part

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for vagrants to do their due to drugs
and outside and they had made a few

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months ago judge it I just think it’s at
the Daily News had an article that was

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talking about maybe creating a park soon
in their cause if you create a park

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you can’t have any of the characters in
there because you can operate a business

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within the park that’s what I was aiming
their piano before this plaza there have

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been lots of other places in in
throughout the city where you would

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think that this might become an issue
like South Street Seaport and get out

00:17:15.559 –> 00:17:24.150
would separate the Year honors really
don’t like it don’t like it just might

00:17:24.150 –> 00:17:29.300
be able to get around it but people get
their cars in the Cedar shows a number

00:17:29.300 –> 00:17:34.600
of people have told me that really since
the death death of Jerry schoenfeld in

00:17:34.600 –> 00:17:42.440
2008 there has not been somebody who’s
really active who represents the

00:17:42.440 –> 00:17:46.929
Broadway community in dealing with the
city that was really something that

00:17:46.929 –> 00:17:52.650
Jerry did brilliantly in no one has its
fill that void relations between

00:17:52.650 –> 00:17:56.200
Broadway and the city and that’s one
reason why feature

00:17:56.200 –> 00:18:01.500
tangled up shows just how powerful Jerry
Jerry was back in those days in

00:18:01.500 –> 00:18:04.610
Cherrydale the city birdie jacobson’s
Business Park about the company with him

00:18:04.610 –> 00:18:09.240
but he’s great strength was in producing
the show was burning great strength in

00:18:09.240 –> 00:18:12.620
his relationships with people like
Michael Bennett who created the course

00:18:12.620 –> 00:18:16.550
I’m Dreamgirls of course and the Cameron
Mackintosh in Andrew Lloyd Webber and

00:18:16.550 –> 00:18:22.880
Cameron Mackintosh told the lady with
the kids or producer with no money and

00:18:22.880 –> 00:18:27.420
he produced little by little shows in
London and he had a sort of cheap

00:18:27.420 –> 00:18:32.200
airline tickets the company you work for
the very first time and he was talking

00:18:32.200 –> 00:18:37.040
to a couple of guys who want theatres in
London and they said you got to meet a

00:18:37.040 –> 00:18:41.860
friend for Jenkins while you’re in New
York remember this is Cameron Mackintosh

00:18:41.860 –> 00:18:43.220
before he was coming back

00:18:43.220 –> 00:18:48.659
and Cameron presented himself and nobody
took him to lunch and asking where he

00:18:48.659 –> 00:18:54.000
was staying in Camarillo is not cheap
hotel he said you know that and i own a

00:18:54.000 –> 00:18:58.179
house use our guest room and four years
when Cameron Mackintosh was just kidding

00:18:58.179 –> 00:19:02.460
he would come to New York and he had no
money he always stayed and burning and

00:19:02.460 –> 00:19:06.909
Betty Jenkins guest room is to call my
new york crash pad and was because

00:19:06.909 –> 00:19:12.179
burning like them and pretty all bernie
saw him was a talented passionate your

00:19:12.179 –> 00:19:15.840
kid who might someday do something well
it turned out that talented passionate

00:19:15.840 –> 00:19:18.179
Peter kid cats

00:19:18.179 –> 00:19:24.730
problem handsome and Miss Saigon and
they’d Schubert’s hundreds hundreds of

00:19:24.730 –> 00:19:29.549
millions of dollars but he was very good
at spotting young people who just

00:19:29.549 –> 00:19:35.450
completely committed to to to the
theater business and and and and and

00:19:35.450 –> 00:19:41.799
developing relationships with them so
who is the Newberry Jacob stand are we

00:19:41.799 –> 00:19:47.179
looking for the various folks at the
large multinationals that are producing

00:19:47.179 –> 00:19:52.419
Broadway to undertake these roles I
don’t think you’ll ever have to god-like

00:19:52.419 –> 00:19:57.250
body injury who really dominated the
business because now corporations are

00:19:57.250 –> 00:20:02.200
never going to be dominated by the real
estate guys and the producers are so

00:20:02.200 –> 00:20:07.380
powerful in their own right because they
need so much money like like wicked and

00:20:07.380 –> 00:20:12.520
Jersey Boys and my money that they’re
not going to be pushed around by

00:20:12.520 –> 00:20:17.210
Schubert’s me after number brain injury
they they brand everything they

00:20:17.210 –> 00:20:23.120
generally union they ran the League of
American theaters and producers of

00:20:23.120 –> 00:20:29.440
Broadway’s they ran the way they Randy
actress fun they control the real estate

00:20:29.440 –> 00:20:34.470
they controlled Michael Bennet they had
their deals with Cameron and and and and

00:20:34.470 –> 00:20:38.669
Andrew for all those great shows they
dominated businessmen not for nothing

00:20:38.669 –> 00:20:42.190
with Jenkins called the dot and I
remember the very first time I ever saw

00:20:42.190 –> 00:20:48.030
would have been I think 1991 or 1992
United Jewish appeal benefit which he

00:20:48.030 –> 00:20:56.580
was being honored I was looking like 22
I remember going to the event

00:20:56.580 –> 00:21:01.240
and unite heard of this early Jacobs I
knew he was a mature but organization

00:21:01.240 –> 00:21:05.720
and I looked at the table where he was
sitting with his family and there was a

00:21:05.720 –> 00:21:10.279
line of people waiting to pay their
respects and it looked exactly like

00:21:10.279 –> 00:21:17.260
that’s what I don’t think anyone is ever
gonna have that kind of power in the

00:21:17.260 –> 00:21:19.899
future now requires all diffuse

00:21:19.899 –> 00:21:24.399
around now when I get up early and very
well we’re running a business trip me

00:21:24.399 –> 00:21:28.580
back in the early seventies was not a
multi-billion dollar global business

00:21:28.580 –> 00:21:34.029
that is that a backwater of the
entertainment in my book first chapter

00:21:34.029 –> 00:21:40.010
is about helping scandal in the in the
early sixties I wanna I wanna do start

00:21:40.010 –> 00:21:43.490
the book out later that want to show
people that did business once upon time

00:21:43.490 –> 00:21:54.950
had been a real lucky to work in let’s
see when would it have been in the

00:21:54.950 –> 00:22:01.169
eighties I had a friend who worked in in
box office and I brought up the question

00:22:01.169 –> 00:22:09.010
of ice one day and he clammed up liking
I can’t even though I mean his face

00:22:09.010 –> 00:22:16.899
turned like white and Michael probably
we should probably explain what I said

00:22:16.899 –> 00:22:24.130
yeah just this is a very simple example
in it but if it did it legally seeps

00:22:24.130 –> 00:22:29.010
through the entire industry back at the
time hiding in the book if they check it

00:22:29.010 –> 00:22:38.179
allowed to say that racism is secured in
1970 1960 was $10 76 Martin

00:22:38.179 –> 00:22:43.840
your the box office treasurer at my fair
lady and they’re only 1,500 seats and I

00:22:43.840 –> 00:22:49.149
gotta show the world a lot more people
just 1,500 wanna see that show and have

00:22:49.149 –> 00:22:53.679
any any given night so if you have
access to that $10 ticket you just take

00:22:53.679 –> 00:22:56.570
it off the shelf in your pocket

00:22:56.570 –> 00:23:01.210
go to a ticket broker or a ticket
scalper and selling that ticket let’s

00:23:01.210 –> 00:23:08.840
say he give you 50 bucks for that
penalty well that’s 40 bucks cash

00:23:08.840 –> 00:23:14.039
that you put your pocket and is never
traced and has called twice because of

00:23:14.039 –> 00:23:18.480
the way and the ticket broker but then
take $50 chickened out and sell it to

00:23:18.480 –> 00:23:25.980
his customers $400 now this was going on
all the fans everywhere after three IRS

00:23:25.980 –> 00:23:30.559
never knew anything about that which is
why was illegal and when it was when I

00:23:30.559 –> 00:23:35.330
began my book and the original box
covers it all very investigation on the

00:23:35.330 –> 00:23:40.880
front page of the inspectors days they
estimated that year in and year out the

00:23:40.880 –> 00:23:45.679
amount of ice on Broadway with anywhere
from 75 200 million dollars in 1960 in

00:23:45.679 –> 00:23:51.600
today’s dollars that’s five 600 to 700
million dollars all going around at the

00:23:51.600 –> 00:23:59.669
IRS never do anything it has meant that
mister mister deja Q public couldn’t get

00:23:59.669 –> 00:24:02.700
a ticket to not shown because they were
all being funneled to the bunkers and

00:24:02.700 –> 00:24:06.760
everything including as I say in the
book the schubert organization attack in

00:24:06.760 –> 00:24:12.059
a room room 504 in the side of building
where they were selling the tickets to

00:24:12.059 –> 00:24:15.929
brokers and dividing up the money and
distributing distributor you up and down

00:24:15.929 –> 00:24:20.250
the chain at the Shubert organization
right up to the top flight up to Larry

00:24:20.250 –> 00:24:26.140
Schubert one nephew of jay jay he was
writing the company so everybody and

00:24:26.140 –> 00:24:32.960
Jerry be lawyers and judges lawyers
readers were liars and they knew that

00:24:32.960 –> 00:24:38.110
this was totally illegal and the company
if if there were an investigation the

00:24:38.110 –> 00:24:41.770
whole company could be shut down and
indeed when I was researching that had

00:24:41.770 –> 00:24:45.620
to look closely her body injury involved
in this their characters now and I

00:24:45.620 –> 00:24:49.770
tracked down the 87 now he was the
assistant attorney general who

00:24:49.770 –> 00:24:53.820
investigated the ice data back then and
I asked him point-blank at all I need to

00:24:53.820 –> 00:24:58.460
know will burn injuries and his quote
which I am the booklets I am NOT here to

00:24:58.460 –> 00:25:06.640
I’m not here to excuse anyone or
whitewash anyone but I will only say

00:25:06.640 –> 00:25:11.850
that in the course of my investigation
two people were very helpful and they

00:25:11.850 –> 00:25:16.130
were burning Jacobs and Jerry schoenfeld
because they understood what was at

00:25:16.130 –> 00:25:18.480

00:25:18.480 –> 00:25:22.770
one of the things that was really had a
huge impact on me and reading the book

00:25:22.770 –> 00:25:30.530
is that the enormous and powerful
schubert organization was on the ropes

00:25:30.530 –> 00:25:36.919
at times and they are and that we we
seriously if it weren’t for this two

00:25:36.919 –> 00:25:41.370
gentlemen we speak we could have a
different Broadway landscape today

00:25:41.370 –> 00:25:46.919
well yet remember he major issue

00:25:46.919 –> 00:25:51.010
he died in the early sixties and burn
injury had worked for him for many years

00:25:51.010 –> 00:25:56.470
as a lawyer and it was not a piece of
circumstances that total tyrant flights

00:25:56.470 –> 00:26:00.130
they’re needed somebody needed to take
over the company is always been a family

00:26:00.130 –> 00:26:05.179
business but jay-z a son John died a few
years before he was the only air so

00:26:05.179 –> 00:26:09.400
there’s nobody around and indeed bernie
that suggested that Jerry step forward

00:26:09.400 –> 00:26:11.480
and become the chairman

00:26:11.480 –> 00:26:14.620
back then but youre even the ultimate
and he felt it will look back into the

00:26:14.620 –> 00:26:21.549
family that’s so why aren’t you remarks
JJ’s nephew was made the head but he was

00:26:21.549 –> 00:26:25.760
a total drunk btw literally ran the
company from the second floor bar

00:26:25.760 –> 00:26:29.940
starting so it never too far from the
Scotch didn’t care about the theater

00:26:29.940 –> 00:26:35.290
just collecting rent from the show
should stop producing you rarely went to

00:26:35.290 –> 00:26:38.730
rehearsals you we’re really went to
backers auditions anyone when he would

00:26:38.730 –> 00:26:42.320
go he was embarrassed because he’d be so
drunk he get on the course girls or

00:26:42.320 –> 00:26:46.950
something like that and burn injuries
burn injury suffered under him for 10

00:26:46.950 –> 00:26:50.600
years until they finally realized the
whole the whole thing was falling apart

00:26:50.600 –> 00:26:57.169
of our nation was in dire dire straits
and they staged a boardroom coup and

00:26:57.169 –> 00:27:02.520
they got him out and they took control
of the company for themselves and have

00:27:02.520 –> 00:27:05.780
an interview that party jacobs did with
this gorgeous first family before he

00:27:05.780 –> 00:27:10.270
died his widow Betty but be used for the
book and he said when he and Brady got

00:27:10.270 –> 00:27:13.650
control of things that should work
organization had a cash flow problem

00:27:13.650 –> 00:27:18.500
they need two million dollar line of
credit from JPMorgan Chase and bills so

00:27:18.500 –> 00:27:23.830
bernie went to JPMorgan and he used as
collateral 17 Shubert theaters to get a

00:27:23.830 –> 00:27:27.909
million dollar line of credit and
JPMorgan turned him down if they deemed

00:27:27.909 –> 00:27:31.830
in 1972 that seventeen Broadway theaters
or not

00:27:31.830 –> 00:27:37.260
with $1,000,000 ever specialty used
properties in a meeting neighborhood and

00:27:37.260 –> 00:27:42.720
our million dollars now jump ahead today
marks are going to build a 1500 seek

00:27:42.720 –> 00:27:50.649
musical theatre house I’m land they own
on 45th Street 46 tree the minimum cost

00:27:50.649 –> 00:27:56.179
just a bit but peter is 175 million for
one year now they own the land so if you

00:27:56.179 –> 00:28:01.470
had to buy the land and then we’re
looking at 400 500 million dollars from

00:28:01.470 –> 00:28:07.120
one theater 1972 according to JPMorgan
seventeen workers were not working on

00:28:07.120 –> 00:28:11.340
the dollars that gives you i think is
not show the state of Broadway that you

00:28:11.340 –> 00:28:19.210
have a specific question do you know the
little Shubert Schubert own that

00:28:19.210 –> 00:28:27.059
building yes they do they have the
mistake right now and so now they are

00:28:27.059 –> 00:28:34.250
leasing the theater 22 others as a very
recently and changed the name of it is

00:28:34.250 –> 00:28:38.610
that what would happen I’m not sure of
the details the ins and outs i mean they

00:28:38.610 –> 00:28:43.570
built it lands there was a brief period
you may remember this number of that

00:28:43.570 –> 00:28:49.210
period where off-broadway time we seem
to be the new thing and you’ll find was

00:28:49.210 –> 00:28:54.549
going off Broadway and off-broadway and
Broadway with just you know I was just

00:28:54.549 –> 00:28:59.029
diana is going to be 44 boring musicals
and all the real stuff is happening

00:28:59.029 –> 00:29:02.960
off-broadway a bill that capitalize on
it but that’s what happened was a

00:29:02.960 –> 00:29:06.130
business model might be pointed out
early earlier

00:29:06.130 –> 00:29:11.929
to figure out a way to get you the cold
in 2009 musical theatre houses on

00:29:11.929 –> 00:29:16.610
Broadway Playhouse work that and then
the play came roaring back because they

00:29:16.610 –> 00:29:21.610
get too cold pitner you Jack Curtin
Statesman a flight for fourteen fifteen

00:29:21.610 –> 00:29:26.720
weeks to demand to be so great we can
charge an arm and a leg for the tickets

00:29:26.720 –> 00:29:31.960
so laid back to Broadway and then
clearly the Commercial Off Broadway was

00:29:31.960 –> 00:29:36.350
devastated and they couldn’t book the
little Shubert years or whatever they

00:29:36.350 –> 00:29:39.309
had that class right

00:29:39.309 –> 00:29:45.019
michael chang nothing nothing ever stays
the same distance and that’s like

00:29:45.019 –> 00:29:52.720
constantly shifting ok two lines jumped
out at me from the book one stanley

00:29:52.720 –> 00:29:57.549
kaufman who by the way was New York
Times theater critic for a year

00:29:57.549 –> 00:30:02.320
Stanley Kauffmann was uncomfortable
being a public target which inevitably

00:30:02.320 –> 00:30:08.440
comes with such an influential job and
the sauce will quote david merrick

00:30:08.440 –> 00:30:11.590
didn’t give a damn what people thought
of him

00:30:11.590 –> 00:30:16.009
alright my truck were you in that are
you uncomfortable are comfortable with

00:30:16.009 –> 00:30:21.389
being a public target and such an
influential job and do you indeed give a

00:30:21.389 –> 00:30:27.389
damn what people think of you while I
think my influences greatly exaggerated

00:30:27.389 –> 00:30:29.249
but I’m happy that people feel that way

00:30:29.249 –> 00:30:38.659
laws marketers I really don’t care what
they say many years you know taking a

00:30:38.659 –> 00:30:44.419
few swings a number of theater people
and their shows so if they want to swing

00:30:44.419 –> 00:30:48.269
back I think that’s only fair and it
doesn’t bother me at all like I like to

00:30:48.269 –> 00:30:53.369
give and take it in the badly you think
that’s all part of the fun of company

00:30:53.369 –> 00:30:58.679
Broadway and what people think of me you
know i three companies myself and I have

00:30:58.679 –> 00:31:04.119
a thick skin and I so go my own way in
the world that people can elect pure

00:31:04.119 –> 00:31:07.600
hate knee-jerk say what they want to
become essentially having a book on that

00:31:07.600 –> 00:31:12.730
because you know people are reviewing it
so I was like to be reviewed which is

00:31:12.730 –> 00:31:17.580
which is an interesting perspective on
life but I would never I would never

00:31:17.580 –> 00:31:22.139
hold it against anyone who was upset at
me for something because I I can be a

00:31:22.139 –> 00:31:31.019
little devilish ways you can try to calm
down calm lie or a book I wrote and you

00:31:31.019 –> 00:31:36.039
can’t have your mind will be a
satisfactory this are people looking

00:31:36.039 –> 00:31:40.240
like they say they are writers make it
fun and interesting lively and often in

00:31:40.240 –> 00:31:44.740
our business and interesting likely
gossip that is not terribly flattering

00:31:44.740 –> 00:31:50.929
subject it’s funny to me how you used
the phrase take a swing at because you

00:31:50.929 –> 00:31:52.130
didn’t you have a

00:31:52.130 –> 00:31:58.750
11 of those no i didnt say I’m not not a
fine don’t do the recipient of the

00:31:58.750 –> 00:32:04.570
specific I was the recipient of the
swing from David Leveaux who was upset

00:32:04.570 –> 00:32:09.080
at the way I covered his presbyterian

00:32:09.080 –> 00:32:18.220
revival of and it wasn’t a swinger since
the show off my makeup that’s funny all

00:32:18.220 –> 00:32:27.190
of you and wanted becoming friends
because I think I don’t take it too

00:32:27.190 –> 00:32:33.020
seriously and I make a joke about all of
them when they are just trying to be the

00:32:33.020 –> 00:32:37.600
first to laugh at myself which probably
I guess is disarming to them I was very

00:32:37.600 –> 00:32:44.110
surprised there was a book party the
last week when the book came out and

00:32:44.110 –> 00:32:50.620
looked around then and heavy hitters
from the Euro world where their purpose

00:32:50.620 –> 00:32:54.210
like a big day opening night or
something I would rather cut this isn’t

00:32:54.210 –> 00:33:02.480
room for people pretending to like I
wanted to get back to the shirts for

00:33:02.480 –> 00:33:07.800
just a second just to clarify something
because you had we talking about the

00:33:07.800 –> 00:33:12.640
enormous amount of money that the
schubert or are worth these days and I

00:33:12.640 –> 00:33:16.250
wanted to point out the schubert
organization which runs and produces the

00:33:16.250 –> 00:33:19.790
theaters and things like that is
actually owned by the Shubert foundation

00:33:19.790 –> 00:33:25.600
and the foundation that money makes its
way through the theaters to the

00:33:25.600 –> 00:33:31.520
foundation and the foundation is
responsible for putting out grants every

00:33:31.520 –> 00:33:37.920
year of millions and millions of dollars
so it’s a it’s sorry I was just gonna

00:33:37.920 –> 00:33:42.170
say that the money makes it back into
support for non-profit professional

00:33:42.170 –> 00:33:46.350
theater and dance companies all around
the United States just to let a lot of

00:33:46.350 –> 00:33:50.460
our listeners to think that no they just
pocket this money and go out and you

00:33:50.460 –> 00:33:53.180
know they might do it other
organizations but specifically

00:33:53.180 –> 00:33:54.300

00:33:54.300 –> 00:34:01.310
a lot of money makes it back its
arrangement that is unique in the

00:34:01.310 –> 00:34:05.710
history of nonprofit and charitable
foundations of trying to get too

00:34:05.710 –> 00:34:08.500
technical lot of the history of its
interesting yes you are right the

00:34:08.500 –> 00:34:12.360
schubert organization which is a
multi-million dollar or profit company

00:34:12.360 –> 00:34:19.230
is not owned by any human beings it is
entirely owned by the Shubert foundation

00:34:19.230 –> 00:34:26.310
which is a non-profit entity that doles
out grants to arts organizations around

00:34:26.310 –> 00:34:27.980
the company now

00:34:27.980 –> 00:34:34.400
Foundation was set up by me and Jay Jay
Schubert original timber brothers in

00:34:34.400 –> 00:34:37.470
honor of their brother Sam Schubert who
really found a company but it was still

00:34:37.470 –> 00:34:42.950
very young a training accident and they
set up this to stagnation in memory of

00:34:42.950 –> 00:34:49.250
stamps right business back in the
nineteen twenties over time that

00:34:49.250 –> 00:34:53.530
foundation as it did for many
corporations back in those days ahead

00:34:53.530 –> 00:34:59.570
nonprofit arms that foundation became a
very convenient place to hide money from

00:34:59.570 –> 00:35:05.120
the IRS because remember the IRS was not
patrolling the way they can back that

00:35:05.120 –> 00:35:10.440
the foundation just became a place to
dump a lot of cash that never went to

00:35:10.440 –> 00:35:17.550
the government’s and in the seventies
the in the sixties the IRS began to

00:35:17.550 –> 00:35:22.980
realize that such places as Ford
Foundation were completely connected to

00:35:22.980 –> 00:35:28.450
the for profit for the Johnson and
Johnson Foundation completely connected

00:35:28.450 –> 00:35:35.630
to the jobs in adjusting and what the
IRS realized was that the corporations

00:35:35.630 –> 00:35:40.770
were finally a lot of money and highly
advise foundations and the IRS and

00:35:40.770 –> 00:35:47.270
government passed a law that forced
every foundation and for-profit company

00:35:47.270 –> 00:35:52.500
to part ways today the Ford Foundation
has absolutely nothing to do with motor

00:35:52.500 –> 00:35:56.760
company Johnson and Johnson Foundation
has nothing to do with the johnson

00:35:56.760 –> 00:36:02.610
Johnson Pharmaceutical Research
Foundation still owns the for-profit

00:36:02.610 –> 00:36:07.350
Shubert foundation so on the for-profit
organization and why is this because

00:36:07.350 –> 00:36:07.770
they were

00:36:07.770 –> 00:36:11.770
flying under the radar it was kind of a
small company the IRS wasn’t paying

00:36:11.770 –> 00:36:16.070
attention and in the seventies body
injury being warriors realized they had

00:36:16.070 –> 00:36:21.190
a problem if the government finds out
what’s going on they can break this

00:36:21.190 –> 00:36:29.440
company and burn injury petition the IRS
saying they may be arguments at Peters

00:36:29.440 –> 00:36:34.500
perilous and lots of ups and downs and
that neither of which were not landmark

00:36:34.500 –> 00:36:38.920
then easily torn down and made into
parking lots and that the foundation

00:36:38.920 –> 00:36:45.630
purpose was to maintain the Shubert
theaters and only the foundation could

00:36:45.630 –> 00:36:50.160
do that and if you separate the
foundation from the theaters those

00:36:50.160 –> 00:36:54.240
dealers very likely could be sold off
controlling down and it can only be held

00:36:54.240 –> 00:37:00.150
together as theaters by this nonprofit
foundation and the IRS and yes I have no

00:37:00.150 –> 00:37:04.770
idea how to get to this day

00:37:04.770 –> 00:37:10.280
foundation is the only non-profit
company in America that controls a multi

00:37:10.280 –> 00:37:15.150
$1,000,000 for-profit company and i was
just going to say I have heard I have no

00:37:15.150 –> 00:37:18.600
idea if this is true but it certainly
sounds like it could be someone quoted

00:37:18.600 –> 00:37:23.920
one of the majors Schubert higher-ups as
having said there’s no profit like

00:37:23.920 –> 00:37:31.990
nonprofit it’s something that actually
carry schoenfeld used to say that

00:37:31.990 –> 00:37:38.740
there’s no probably like any how you
feel about 40 injury they they were very

00:37:38.740 –> 00:37:43.000
successful and they were highly paid
highly paid by the Foundation and they

00:37:43.000 –> 00:37:48.610
lived very comfortable lives that
limousines and and and the concorde and

00:37:48.610 –> 00:37:53.260
Barclay hotel suite and whatnot but as
they always said it and its Jerry always

00:37:53.260 –> 00:38:02.050
reminded me he always said I call you
speak employees of sugar I serve at the

00:38:02.050 –> 00:38:06.240
pleasure of the board of the foundation
they never had any equity in the company

00:38:06.240 –> 00:38:10.990
they never got rich the way jimmy needle
and reduces your own to the theaters and

00:38:10.990 –> 00:38:15.120
arms all his real estate in a richly
Cameron and Mr Cameron Andrew owner

00:38:15.120 –> 00:38:17.390
shows or injury

00:38:17.390 –> 00:38:20.880
ever own a piece of the hit musical even
though the schubert produced

00:38:20.880 –> 00:38:26.029
Dreamgirls and cats phantom always big
shows they never on any of the real

00:38:26.029 –> 00:38:31.529
estate they never on any of the theaters
they were and they always said employees

00:38:31.529 –> 00:38:37.730
and no one can ever imagine that you
were here you might still work if you

00:38:37.730 –> 00:38:41.529
are a few organizations you serve at the
pleasure of the board of the Shubert

00:38:41.529 –> 00:38:47.910
foundation speaking of Jimmy do you ever
think we’ll get the Hellinger back I

00:38:47.910 –> 00:38:52.890
don’t think so because the way to
contract is set up Jimmy Jimmy gave the

00:38:52.890 –> 00:38:56.519
Hellinger or rented it to be getting to
the church Times Square church where he

00:38:56.519 –> 00:39:01.819
was he was in financial trouble in the
eighties and then eventually be the

00:39:01.819 –> 00:39:06.529
church bought the fear Jimmy does have
the first right to to make a bet on it

00:39:06.529 –> 00:39:12.099
should the church ever sell it but it’s
such a thriving church such a thriving

00:39:12.099 –> 00:39:17.849
place this time for church that the only
way I heard they would consider selling

00:39:17.849 –> 00:39:24.349
it if a buyer where to find them a
bigger and even better spot in Times

00:39:24.349 –> 00:39:30.210
Square and that’s very hard to do given
the cost of buying anything integrate

00:39:30.210 –> 00:39:39.960
these days so I toys R Us changes our
prayers R Us what’s gonna happen at that

00:39:39.960 –> 00:39:47.059
big toys R Us spot have you heard any
rumors I do not look I don’t know what’s

00:39:47.059 –> 00:39:50.789
going on there somebody some big
corporation will come in and it’s too

00:39:50.789 –> 00:39:56.900
good to pass up on the display windows
not be selling somewheres New York Times

00:39:56.900 –> 00:40:08.279
New York Post headquarters there it is a
shame that we can meet anywhere from

00:40:08.279 –> 00:40:09.259
financial trouble

00:40:09.259 –> 00:40:15.710
back then and he was quoted as saying
you yourselves least their site to the

00:40:15.710 –> 00:40:16.299

00:40:16.299 –> 00:40:23.430
affair only business ok and I expected
to be at church I’m just not sure why

00:40:23.430 –> 00:40:24.750
they you know

00:40:24.750 –> 00:40:30.300
you know hindsight is 2020 but why they
went from the lease to the actual

00:40:30.300 –> 00:40:35.320
outright sale I guess maybe the church
said we will only stay if you sell it to

00:40:35.320 –> 00:40:39.250
us they had a had a contract with you
knew that allowed them to buy it

00:40:39.250 –> 00:40:51.240
ok well they hired a price tag on land
but I remember talking to a couple of

00:40:51.240 –> 00:40:55.320
employees after he took some hits in the
eighties certainly with a big block of

00:40:55.320 –> 00:40:59.740
legs time in the gym who was up too late
he had the lease on the New Amsterdam

00:40:59.740 –> 00:41:06.510
Theatre back then and new york city
would take a leaf and refurbish it

00:41:06.510 –> 00:41:10.580
caucus huge amount of money retriever
should you don’t have the money yet no

00:41:10.580 –> 00:41:16.060
Canon Peter he tried to get how to put
France’s there you can get how my old

00:41:16.060 –> 00:41:20.510
friend how to put that I can raise money
to accept the theater and house and

00:41:20.510 –> 00:41:24.050
Jimmy letter after he went to the
theater letter which I have been used

00:41:24.050 –> 00:41:31.080
the book also I got my cab and I was
accosted street theater if there’s no

00:41:31.080 –> 00:41:37.820
way I would ever walk on that block let
alone anyone my shows a lot today to

00:41:37.820 –> 00:41:42.820
answer as we know is the flagship of the
Walt Disney Company as a lap again how

00:41:42.820 –> 00:41:44.690
things change

00:41:44.690 –> 00:41:51.200
why he unloaded the Hellinger when he
was when he was really financial trouble

00:41:51.200 –> 00:41:53.800
I talked to some of the employees that
they said you know we were all very

00:41:53.800 –> 00:41:59.590
loyal but the world was going around the
authors if you get another job take it

00:41:59.590 –> 00:42:09.040
because when I survived wow wow can you
imagine I can imagine as I was reading

00:42:09.040 –> 00:42:17.320
your book i I kept on getting the feel
of Tom Wolfe’s a novel Bonfire of the

00:42:17.320 –> 00:42:23.500
vanities and Bonfire of the vanities
with a slice of life you know reflected

00:42:23.500 –> 00:42:25.760
upon the eighties in New York City

00:42:25.760 –> 00:42:30.550
and razzle dazzle the battle for
Broadway FL was a reflection of New York

00:42:30.550 –> 00:42:36.530
City in the late sixties early and
seventies it do you think that this

00:42:36.530 –> 00:42:42.200
could be fodder for some sort of
treatment for you know perhaps a movie

00:42:42.200 –> 00:42:51.900
documentary even a play I’m certainly
proud to be compared to the mind my

00:42:51.900 –> 00:42:57.340
models like you know like every other
people I didn’t apply online but I had

00:42:57.340 –> 00:43:06.650
Robert Caro and Albert stem and gay
talese in mind when I woke is what I

00:43:06.650 –> 00:43:11.060
admire about them and if you look at
Robert Caro’s power broker which is you

00:43:11.060 –> 00:43:19.590
know the great mysteries of new york
city centre Robert Moses powerful public

00:43:19.590 –> 00:43:24.960
official who built highways parks and
all that kind of stuff to make Carol

00:43:24.960 –> 00:43:29.600
human history book he makes all the
characters you know it reads like a

00:43:29.600 –> 00:43:35.710
great rich juicy novel if you read david
has lost and the powers that be about

00:43:35.710 –> 00:43:45.470
all the Greek media he makes all of the
Perry loose who created time the guy who

00:43:45.470 –> 00:43:47.630
created CBS News 9 Now

00:43:47.630 –> 00:43:59.610
really rich characters and as i sat down
to write my book i’m telling a story but

00:43:59.610 –> 00:44:04.570
I don’t want it to be an academic and I
was blessed by having the actual path of

00:44:04.570 –> 00:44:09.350
character and your money they were
powerful they you know but in some ways

00:44:09.350 –> 00:44:16.450
but my book is about is about how you
acquire power how you use power and what

00:44:16.450 –> 00:44:22.850
power does to you and so I show how they
acquired the power to use the power and

00:44:22.850 –> 00:44:27.640
ultimately house or affected them and
believe me when they came they did not

00:44:27.640 –> 00:44:33.420
like to be quiet if you don’t do what
they told you to do their work but I was

00:44:33.420 –> 00:44:38.410
reached after theatrical characters you
know Michael Bennet in david merrick Joe

00:44:38.410 –> 00:44:38.930

00:44:38.930 –> 00:44:43.690
and you know it produces we know how
many Asian bird liz mccann tommy tune in

00:44:43.690 –> 00:44:47.040
Antrim Cameron you know they’re see
actual characters so they’re inherently

00:44:47.040 –> 00:44:52.510
dramatic and compelling figures and
they’re in a business where you know one

00:44:52.510 –> 00:44:58.170
senior the biggest of all your biggest
Seattle so that’s what I’m trying to

00:44:58.170 –> 00:45:02.380
tell history but through a colorful cast
of characters that I think karen and and

00:45:02.380 –> 00:45:10.890
how much time do well now you know your
recounting of the tony night in which

00:45:10.890 –> 00:45:16.849
Dreamgirls was up against nine is
absolutely really it it really it really

00:45:16.849 –> 00:45:21.750
is in the end of the especially bit the
end of it was so amazing where I won’t

00:45:21.750 –> 00:45:29.490
give the whole thing away but we’re a
recount is demanded a very strong and he

00:45:29.490 –> 00:45:36.510
wanted to get so many was told that guy
who will readily cherry wood burned

00:45:36.510 –> 00:45:40.200
about precisely so we don’t have this
problem and then carry it through the

00:45:40.200 –> 00:45:46.770
actions of the students have been defied
dream girl puts you in the county not

00:45:46.770 –> 00:45:52.079
time for heaven sakes and there must
wait for that attitude but Afghans ya at

00:45:52.079 –> 00:45:54.339
Dreamgirls ran twice as long

00:45:54.339 –> 00:46:00.119
so really what’s the problem yeah I know
you know Peter as well as I do everybody

00:46:00.119 –> 00:46:09.700
wants a Tony Award go listen i’d be
delighted if it were a mini-series you

00:46:09.700 –> 00:46:14.290
know I have a very good agent and i cant
announcer anything yet there was nothing

00:46:14.290 –> 00:46:20.480
to announce but yeah there’s something
there I i dont know I mean I didn’t

00:46:20.480 –> 00:46:27.270
write the book mini-series and I like
that I just wrote it because I knew

00:46:27.270 –> 00:46:33.990
these guys and I knew their stories I
knew their struggles and I thought if

00:46:33.990 –> 00:46:39.180
nobody writes this i mean I don’t like
to snow was gonna do it I don’t think

00:46:39.180 –> 00:46:43.020
anyone else could have put it together
the way did if only because I was there

00:46:43.020 –> 00:46:47.630
to let you know I knew gerry really well
I heard the stories very close to Phil

00:46:47.630 –> 00:46:50.330
Smith who had accompanied with a great

00:46:50.330 –> 00:46:55.640
know a lot of the old-time producers who
told me what it was like back days I

00:46:55.640 –> 00:47:00.270
just think if I had written it this
whole period in Broadway history would

00:47:00.270 –> 00:47:03.690
just kind of disappeared and we also say
you know broadway’s this multi-billion

00:47:03.690 –> 00:47:12.030
dollar business for a billion dollars
every time we go to sleep at night in

00:47:12.030 –> 00:47:16.220
the struggle of you feel about me you
know you and when they burn injury Diane

00:47:16.220 –> 00:47:20.590
Disney comes on the scene you gonna tell
the next possible when Disney dominate

00:47:20.590 –> 00:47:26.880
you have these big successful shows like
like wicked in Jersey Boys my money and

00:47:26.880 –> 00:47:32.070
I said no that’s not for me I am mindful
of something great director michael

00:47:32.070 –> 00:47:35.710
blakemore told him when he wrote his
number called arguments leading England

00:47:35.710 –> 00:47:39.520
which is what a great reader books and
it’s about his struggle to make it in

00:47:39.520 –> 00:47:44.550
the London theatre scene and I asked him
any any any errands when he has his

00:47:44.550 –> 00:47:49.940
first West End hit which the day in the
death of Joe egg a subsidiary of the

00:47:49.940 –> 00:47:53.340
second part of your numbers and they
said no because the struggles

00:47:53.340 –> 00:47:58.330
interesting once you made it then it
just becomes how much money on me how

00:47:58.330 –> 00:48:03.820
many houses I’ll what my new cars like I
know that’s kind of it I don’t have much

00:48:03.820 –> 00:48:09.120
to say about how much money Disney and
the people behind which people behind my

00:48:09.120 –> 00:48:14.030
mommy have made in the in the nineties
and the two thousands I was interested

00:48:14.030 –> 00:48:19.990
in a time when broadway the city in
Times Square we’re really in trouble and

00:48:19.990 –> 00:48:24.940
how they were turned around and the
impact that influence the contribution

00:48:24.940 –> 00:48:28.930
that Broadway in the people who work on
broadway made to save the city the

00:48:28.930 –> 00:48:34.300
struggle is where the drama is and so
that’s such a lie I want to tell maybe

00:48:34.300 –> 00:48:40.570
it might not be a whole book but I’d
love to read a long form story on

00:48:40.570 –> 00:48:43.270
cranberry from you

00:48:43.270 –> 00:48:47.240
well-manicured colorful characters
they’re great you know I think they

00:48:47.240 –> 00:48:53.740
actually carried them to work on a
memoir joint memoir and her friend good

00:48:53.740 –> 00:48:58.350
speeches and she’s she’s great she’s a
great storyteller and she really

00:48:58.350 –> 00:49:03.910
concentrating on the struggle when they
came from the world with the success

00:49:03.910 –> 00:49:10.410
Chicago but I leave I’ll leave it to
them tell their story I want to read

00:49:10.410 –> 00:49:15.619
something this week which stunned me
into thinking for a few minutes and I’m

00:49:15.619 –> 00:49:20.260
going to read you this little this
little excerpt in church to get your

00:49:20.260 –> 00:49:25.990
feedback on this the quote is I
appreciate that times are tough for

00:49:25.990 –> 00:49:29.950
print media but I think it’s both
irresponsible and shortsighted to

00:49:29.950 –> 00:49:33.780
diminish an industry that many consider
to be the lifeblood of New York City

00:49:33.780 –> 00:49:40.270
Broadway publicist Rick miramontez told
deadline that said only to have only

00:49:40.270 –> 00:49:45.170
having to endure Michael read all once a
week will make many of my colleagues and

00:49:45.170 –> 00:49:50.460
clients happy I’m sure how do you get
Rick miramontez to come to your defense

00:49:50.460 –> 00:49:57.270
and let let let everybody in listeners
might not know who rick is set to

00:49:57.270 –> 00:50:01.470
explain your break is that we should say
he was responding to the fact that I

00:50:01.470 –> 00:50:06.789
used to have a column twice a week
monday-friday deposed now I am just a

00:50:06.789 –> 00:50:11.079
private college and was responding to
that change and also responding to the

00:50:11.079 –> 00:50:15.430
fact that the Daily News just completely
devastated its its arts and

00:50:15.430 –> 00:50:19.940
entertainment division laid off 25
people not too long ago is great but the

00:50:19.940 –> 00:50:25.619
cheek we’ve been friends for years but I
do have to say not quite accurate that

00:50:25.619 –> 00:50:29.549
I’ve been cut back what has happened
that the posters that we’ve redesigned

00:50:29.549 –> 00:50:38.910
our section so each day is different to
you so Monday’s its travel today is open

00:50:38.910 –> 00:50:44.960
fitness Wednesday’s dining Thursday is
relationships and Fridays entertained so

00:50:44.960 –> 00:50:50.369
they’ve given me a full page on Friday
so I had the same number of words each

00:50:50.369 –> 00:50:54.349
week I had with two columns only now
they come together and one in our

00:50:54.349 –> 00:50:58.890
entertainment section on Friday so in
many ways back to when I started doing

00:50:58.890 –> 00:51:05.559
what I’m gas main page on Friday and
then they split up over time do they

00:51:05.559 –> 00:51:10.210
rely on paper background so I’m
basically the last of the Broadway

00:51:10.210 –> 00:51:14.200
harvesters there’s no other not none of
the other newspapers and stan has a

00:51:14.200 –> 00:51:17.329
weekly Broadway column I I’m really in
the end of the law

00:51:17.329 –> 00:51:21.930
line of the walter winchell’s dirty
chilled out the insolvency and people

00:51:21.930 –> 00:51:28.959
forget this potential with a break on
Friday your time your account

00:51:28.959 –> 00:51:33.069
discontinued its critical of years ago
when I left the Daily News years ago

00:51:33.069 –> 00:51:36.469
they never replace near the theater
columnist at newsday got rid of its

00:51:36.469 –> 00:51:45.009
intercom along time ago so pretty much
you can stop bein stick me in the last

00:51:45.009 –> 00:51:51.579
column which is i think im sad
expression of newspaper mental covered

00:51:51.579 –> 00:51:58.289
michael thank you for giving us an error
if your time I really appreciate it

00:51:58.289 –> 00:52:04.160
razzle-dazzle the battle for broadway is
available everywhere you can get it and

00:52:04.160 –> 00:52:07.869
Michael we have any book signings where
people can come down and get your

00:52:07.869 –> 00:52:13.279
signature headlines recently Barnes and
Noble and now I’m about to go on a book

00:52:13.279 –> 00:52:17.969
tour so I leave on Wednesday for about a
week and a half to get some of the big

00:52:17.969 –> 00:52:23.269
cities in the west coast so you can see
me and you and the simon schuster

00:52:23.269 –> 00:52:25.709
website that lists all the places
immunity but you can see me in the

00:52:25.709 –> 00:52:31.209
coming weeks Denver San Diego Los
Angeles San Francisco and Portland well

00:52:31.209 –> 00:52:35.930
I will put a link to the same ship she
choose to your website with your

00:52:35.930 –> 00:52:40.259
schedule in our show notes for our
listeners seek it out to see Michael

00:52:40.259 –> 00:52:45.209
please go out and buy this book and
support him because you know the

00:52:45.209 –> 00:52:56.279
newspaper is a very tough he might be
unemployed tomorrow so much money there

00:52:56.279 –> 00:52:58.090
is an absence

00:52:58.090 –> 00:53:06.460
as we talked to Peter from his peer edit
and South of France alright you have a

00:53:06.460 –> 00:53:13.410
great time it will speak to you soon but
I okay so let’s do our periodic

00:53:13.410 –> 00:53:17.930
hopefully monthly roundup of television
and film as it relates to Broadway am at

00:53:17.930 –> 00:53:21.920
Tammany news can you give us a run down
some at what’s happening with the win is

00:53:21.920 –> 00:53:27.810
well the winds rehearsals are in full
swing you’re seeing a lot of publicity

00:53:27.810 –> 00:53:32.400
materials and pictures coming out a lot
of the friends as they’re being called

00:53:32.400 –> 00:53:37.930
Dorothy and her friends and costume so
that’s always fun there was a little bit

00:53:37.930 –> 00:53:40.530
of news this week in terms of the songs
that are included

00:53:40.530 –> 00:53:44.300
fierstein is reworking to script a
little bit and it looks like there’s

00:53:44.300 –> 00:53:49.380
going to be some material incorporated
from the movie the song you can’t win

00:53:49.380 –> 00:53:53.310
which was actually cut from the Broadway
version and then some by Michael

00:53:53.310 –> 00:53:57.090
Jackson’s scarecrow in the movie that’s
gonna be sung by Elijah Kelley is

00:53:57.090 –> 00:54:03.480
playing the Scarecrow into his life so
that’s kinda need for people who hate

00:54:03.480 –> 00:54:08.880
people that enjoy the movie version of
the way is to to get to see that also

00:54:08.880 –> 00:54:13.830
something that’s a little more suspect
is is the hip hop artist Neos playing

00:54:13.830 –> 00:54:18.100
the 10 man he apparently is writing a
new song for the show we haven’t really

00:54:18.100 –> 00:54:21.110
heard where that’s going to be
incorporated into the production whether

00:54:21.110 –> 00:54:25.940
that’s going to be in the normal looking
narrative of the show or it’ll be be be

00:54:25.940 –> 00:54:29.200
something to play the beginning or
during the end credits but neo is

00:54:29.200 –> 00:54:32.860
writing a new song for the winds live
with whatever that means at this point

00:54:32.860 –> 00:54:37.880
so if they read new song will it be
ineligible then that’s a good point

00:54:37.880 –> 00:54:42.970
probably it probably would be it’s a
it’s a little different criteria then

00:54:42.970 –> 00:54:48.940
like the the Oscars had a receipt you
know I’m writing random songs and

00:54:48.940 –> 00:54:52.720
sticking in there just for Oscar
eligibility but I’m sure would be doing

00:54:52.720 –> 00:54:55.800
and that’s I hadn’t thought about that
aspect of it that’s that’s pretty

00:54:55.800 –> 00:55:00.010
interesting and remind listeners when do
is going to be playing that is going to

00:55:00.010 –> 00:55:05.420
be December 3rd on NBC it will be live
on the east coast at eight o’clock and

00:55:05.420 –> 00:55:08.810
then tape delayed in the other time zone

00:55:08.810 –> 00:55:14.840
and you know if there’s any chance of it
playing internationally I don’t know

00:55:14.840 –> 00:55:17.560
they did announce that they would be
they are ready now so it will be

00:55:17.560 –> 00:55:22.690
retiring as they have with Peter Pan and
sound of music but I’m not sure if it’ll

00:55:22.690 –> 00:55:27.010
be an international yet I guess that’s a
check your local listings kind of

00:55:27.010 –> 00:55:27.620

00:55:27.620 –> 00:55:35.980
alright and upcoming Greece production
gonna be on Fox’s it is Fox this when

00:55:35.980 –> 00:55:40.710
starting to take shape we we heard a lot
more about the winds early on the crease

00:55:40.710 –> 00:55:45.150
life is going to be on Fox on January
31st of 2016 so it is rapidly

00:55:45.150 –> 00:55:48.850
approaching we’ve learned a lot more
about the casting and we’re starting to

00:55:48.850 –> 00:55:53.710
be able to glean some information about
what this is gonna look like with the

00:55:53.710 –> 00:55:57.020
casting one of the things that kind of
jumped out at me I get to some of the

00:55:57.020 –> 00:56:02.880
other ones is that David Del Rio who
replaced Robin hey suzie is sunny and in

00:56:02.880 –> 00:56:07.480
the heights on his casting is is great
to have a broad person on there but the

00:56:07.480 –> 00:56:10.900
role he’s playing kind of shows you
little bit about where this is going

00:56:10.900 –> 00:56:15.920
he will be playing footsie so if you are
familiar with the stage version you know

00:56:15.920 –> 00:56:20.690
there is no t-bird named Patsy in the
stage version however that is the

00:56:20.690 –> 00:56:25.310
character of Roger how he was named in
the movie version so I think what this

00:56:25.310 –> 00:56:32.190
is telling us is that while the sound of
music live and and Peter Pan live on NBC

00:56:32.190 –> 00:56:36.130
have kind of stuck closer to the stage
versions I have a feeling we’re going to

00:56:36.130 –> 00:56:42.020
see more of the of the grease movie from
this now that being said the stage

00:56:42.020 –> 00:56:45.200
gripped Greece gets revived about every
three or four years whenever they bring

00:56:45.200 –> 00:56:48.790
a new revival so who knows what that
means but I thought that was kind of

00:56:48.790 –> 00:56:52.410
interesting in terms of the casting that
they did straight-up go with one of the

00:56:52.410 –> 00:56:56.480
characters names from the movie as
opposed to the stage version we’ve also

00:56:56.480 –> 00:57:00.600
had some other pretty interesting
Broadway related casting Carly Rae

00:57:00.600 –> 00:57:04.250
Jepsen who did a stand and Cinderella
few years ago we were playing frenchie

00:57:04.250 –> 00:57:08.250
Kelly McLemore from bring it on the
music on Thursday musical she’ll be

00:57:08.250 –> 00:57:14.820
playing everybody’s favorite cheerleader
yet again patty Simcox Mario Lopez wow

00:57:14.820 –> 00:57:18.910
some Broadway people know him from A
Chorus Line he’ll always be AC Slater to

00:57:18.910 –> 00:57:21.400
me he will be fenced Fontaine

00:57:21.400 –> 00:57:26.540
and Noah Robbins who was in the recent I
guess not recent all that much anymore

00:57:26.540 –> 00:57:30.760
but the Broadway revival of the last
decade of Arcadia in the brain Beach

00:57:30.760 –> 00:57:35.010
memoirs he will be playing Eugene so
there’s quite a few a broadway

00:57:35.010 –> 00:57:39.330
connections in the cast british pop
singer Jessie J is gonna sing grease is

00:57:39.330 –> 00:57:40.670
the word open the show

00:57:40.670 –> 00:57:46.510
Frankie Valli in the movie there are
still some major parts I haven’t been

00:57:46.510 –> 00:57:52.410
cast sunny the t-birds sunny miss lynch
or if they go with the movie version

00:57:52.410 –> 00:57:58.110
again principal McGee hasn’t been cashed
cha cha DiGregorio the teen angel

00:57:58.110 –> 00:58:02.840
haven’t been cashed yet although there
are rumors for a lot of these characters

00:58:02.840 –> 00:58:06.330
everyone from Nick Jonas to Olivia
Newton John Martin Short are being

00:58:06.330 –> 00:58:10.640
rumored due to have parts in the show so
I’d imagine with rehearsal starting

00:58:10.640 –> 00:58:14.540
somewhere in the first two weeks of
November that we should be getting a

00:58:14.540 –> 00:58:21.700
little more information in the coming
days and weeks and also in the news this

00:58:21.700 –> 00:58:28.700
week is that to talk about the casting
in the Rocky Horror Show Frank yeah Dr

00:58:28.700 –> 00:58:33.180
Fox announced both Greece live in Rocky
Horror pretty much the same time but

00:58:33.180 –> 00:58:38.860
they announced a specific date for
Greece right away in the neg kind of

00:58:38.860 –> 00:58:42.080
never really cemented a date for Rocky
Horror but we did find out this week

00:58:42.080 –> 00:58:47.340
that it’s gonna be fall 2016 so little
less than a year from now and they did

00:58:47.340 –> 00:58:52.560
cast Dr Frank N Furter with Laverne Cox
for people who don’t know Laverne Cox

00:58:52.560 –> 00:58:57.380
who plays a social person on the new
black and last year she became the first

00:58:57.380 –> 00:59:02.160
transgender person ever nominated for an
Emmy so the casting is is pretty

00:59:02.160 –> 00:59:06.650
interesting for this part and not only
is she an african-american woman but to

00:59:06.650 –> 00:59:12.710
be transgender and play this part of the
sweet transvestite is is pretty cool so

00:59:12.710 –> 00:59:16.480
I’m excited to see what that what that
means for the rest of the casting if

00:59:16.480 –> 00:59:20.200
we’re going to base the timetable on
casting for Rocky Horror off the

00:59:20.200 –> 00:59:25.080
timetable for Greece I’d imagine we’d
start to get a few more pieces of

00:59:25.080 –> 00:59:29.000
information of a bigger name people now
that we’re about a year out which is

00:59:29.000 –> 00:59:33.550
what Greece did with Julia Hoffman
Vanessa Hudgens and then as we get

00:59:33.550 –> 00:59:34.840
closer some more things

00:59:34.840 –> 00:59:39.440
go out but this is a pretty interesting
first first salvo into the casting so

00:59:39.440 –> 00:59:41.600
it’ll be trying to see where they go
from there

00:59:41.600 –> 00:59:45.820
do you think they’re gonna push Rocky
Horror later into the evening has a more

00:59:45.820 –> 00:59:51.400
adult thing that family fare well I do I
don’t think they can and here’s why Fox

00:59:51.400 –> 00:59:55.950
has already said it’s gonna be a
two-hour event and for people who

00:59:55.950 –> 01:00:00.120
watched a lot of Fox they know that Fox
only has two hours in prime time they

01:00:00.120 –> 01:00:04.670
only have from eight to 10 and in local
news on Fox’s in the local market area

01:00:04.670 –> 01:00:08.080
10 o’clock so they really only have the
eight to ten o’clock time slot unless

01:00:08.080 –> 01:00:13.490
day unless they work something out with
the local markets which I just don’t see

01:00:13.490 –> 01:00:18.200
happening that is such a huge issue that
would be unprecedented so I imagine

01:00:18.200 –> 01:00:24.710
we’re gonna get an eight to 10 with
strong parental suggestions so mad

01:00:24.710 –> 01:00:31.090
correct me if I’m wrong you grew up in
the in the heart of american the Ohio

01:00:31.090 –> 01:00:38.570
area I did a Columbus Ohio native yes
and is it is it more conservative than

01:00:38.570 –> 01:00:43.500
the East Coast and I wonder what do you
think is there going to be any pushback

01:00:43.500 –> 01:00:49.200
from the affiliates sometimes he
affiliates get crazy not specifically

01:00:49.200 –> 01:00:52.480
Ohio but other television affiliates in
the middle of the country

01:00:52.480 –> 01:00:58.560
push back on things that show yeah I
would say hi was probably not as as

01:00:58.560 –> 01:01:02.230
conservative as some of the other places
more in the central part of the rascal

01:01:02.230 –> 01:01:08.080
yeah and I lived in I did live in Kansas
for a year and that would be far more

01:01:08.080 –> 01:01:12.970
conservative you know it’ll be
interesting I think that this is such a

01:01:12.970 –> 01:01:18.550
known property that I think especially
if a time it with Halloween next year

01:01:18.550 –> 01:01:24.200
which they very well might do it might
not get as much pushback but in a vacuum

01:01:24.200 –> 01:01:29.420
I would imagine the the content of Rocky
Horror Show on TV

01:01:29.420 –> 01:01:35.980
would withdraw some higher from certain
parental councils that often make noise

01:01:35.980 –> 01:01:39.590
on things like this I i I just kind of
assumed at this point that Rocky Horror

01:01:39.590 –> 01:01:44.339
so well known that I I would imagine we
would get a whole

01:01:44.339 –> 01:01:52.009
news out of that alright so tell me
about what’s happening in for BBC well

01:01:52.009 –> 01:01:57.339
staying with Rocky Horror there is a
current Rocky Horror tour going on in

01:01:57.339 –> 01:02:02.619
the UK and BBC America will be
broadcasting a special production of

01:02:02.619 –> 01:02:07.049
that on Halloween night so it’s it’s
actually at midnight on Halloween night

01:02:07.049 –> 01:02:10.940
sweats technically November 1st I had to
double check that because the midnight

01:02:10.940 –> 01:02:15.759
thing always serves me for a little but
it is the the current UK touring

01:02:15.759 –> 01:02:20.890
production rocky horror creator Richard
O’Brien is going to actually play the

01:02:20.890 –> 01:02:25.079
narrator in this news got some other
British celebrities to come in and play

01:02:25.079 –> 01:02:30.229
the narrator there’s some clips online
of Baby Spice MI bunten doing some of

01:02:30.229 –> 01:02:34.670
the narrator bid in doing a song other
people like Stephen Fry and Anthony Head

01:02:34.670 –> 01:02:39.799
are involved as well so it’ll be cool to
kind of get a little look at Rocky

01:02:39.799 –> 01:02:45.910
Horror on TV before we wait for our
American version about a year later

01:02:45.910 –> 01:02:51.059
alright and tell us more about like a
live from Lincoln Center

01:02:51.059 –> 01:02:56.559
some some good stage productions that
have happened recently and coming up

01:02:56.559 –> 01:03:03.079
we’ve seen in the last few weeks Billy
Elliot live and and showboat from New

01:03:03.079 –> 01:03:07.210
York still with normal this nasa
Williams Lea Salonga Lauren Worsham

01:03:07.210 –> 01:03:11.719
Julian Ovenden you can check your local
listings Billy for Billy Elliot and

01:03:11.719 –> 01:03:16.299
showboat those could still be playing in
your area depending on your PBS schedule

01:03:16.299 –> 01:03:21.210
however coming up on November 13th is
the Broadway production of Act one

01:03:21.210 –> 01:03:27.390
starring Tony Shalhoub Andrew Martin
Santino Fontana the story of MAS heart

01:03:27.390 –> 01:03:34.069
directed in and adapted by James Lapine
so that’ll be a good one to see a recent

01:03:34.069 –> 01:03:38.239
broadway show on PBS and that’s one of
the great things about live from Lincoln

01:03:38.239 –> 01:03:42.509
Center you really can’t get anywhere
else on TV and one of the valuable

01:03:42.509 –> 01:03:46.920
things that PBS provides that you don’t
see on any of the other suppose it arts

01:03:46.920 –> 01:03:51.029
channel state have gone by the wayside
on cable television

01:03:51.029 –> 01:03:52.710
all right hand

01:03:52.710 –> 01:03:57.060
we seem to have a lot of Broadway stars
on TV coming up so when she read us

01:03:57.060 –> 01:04:01.740
through some of those yeah I think you
said this is going to come out on on

01:04:01.740 –> 01:04:08.089
Monday October 26 so that means tonight
is the series premiere of Supergirl on

01:04:08.089 –> 01:04:12.930
CBS and while you know you don’t hear
think I think of Supergirl is being a

01:04:12.930 –> 01:04:16.390
broadway property they do have a lot of
musical theatre carry-over in this

01:04:16.390 –> 01:04:22.619
starring as Supergirl is Melissa Benoist
who starred in glee and whiplash the

01:04:22.619 –> 01:04:27.410
Academy Award winning film last year but
then some of her peripheral characters

01:04:27.410 –> 01:04:33.470
are are Broadway favorites Jeremy Jordan
who plays one of her coworkers and

01:04:33.470 –> 01:04:38.040
actually one of the first people she
tells that she she is super girl and

01:04:38.040 –> 01:04:43.280
then playing super girls Kryptonian
mother is everybody’s favorite Tony

01:04:43.280 –> 01:04:48.130
winner Laura Benanti so so that’s a lot
of fun and I will say I have seen the

01:04:48.130 –> 01:04:53.460
the pilot at O’Hare tomorrow night or
Monday night and Laura Benanti as part

01:04:53.460 –> 01:04:57.880
as the mother is a little more involved
than you would think just from Sunday’s

01:04:57.880 –> 01:05:02.200
Super Girl methyl so if you are Laura
Benanti fan it’ll be it’ll be important

01:05:02.200 –> 01:05:09.680
to check this one out then sticking with
CBS airs on CBS CBS tends to be the

01:05:09.680 –> 01:05:13.660
network for whatever reason maybe I
think more shows on CBS tape in New York

01:05:13.660 –> 01:05:18.710
than others but there’s a lot of good
Broadway stars always on CBS shows

01:05:18.710 –> 01:05:26.170
especially on The Good Wife the episode
that is going to err on 225th so on

01:05:26.170 –> 01:05:30.440
Sunday the 25th will star Peter
Gallagher he’s actually starting as a

01:05:30.440 –> 01:05:35.099
recurring role will be teamed up with
Christine branson’s character on a

01:05:35.099 –> 01:05:40.540
physician assisted suicide case and
actually Peter Gallagher is also joining

01:05:40.540 –> 01:05:45.450
the cast of law in order to season in
IndyCar all just recently joined him in

01:05:45.450 –> 01:05:49.359
a recurring role as his son so many
Carla and Peter Gallagher was just seen

01:05:49.359 –> 01:05:52.800
on Broadway in on the 20th century and
other playing father and son on Law and

01:05:52.800 –> 01:05:59.310
Order SVU so always check in with that
there really isn’t anything better for

01:05:59.310 –> 01:06:03.760
the TV careers of Broadway performers in
the Law and Order franchise so it’s good

01:06:03.760 –> 01:06:06.130
to see that that still happening and
actually on

01:06:06.130 –> 01:06:11.430
this Thursday’s episode a Christopher
Sieber from a currently in Matilda and

01:06:11.430 –> 01:06:16.589
then Geneva car currently in hand to God
they will star as you gotta love SVU

01:06:16.589 –> 01:06:23.849
they will star in a Duggar family
inspired episode that it can only be

01:06:23.849 –> 01:06:29.130
equally funny and creepy and in a way
that only as he can do so that’s fine

01:06:29.130 –> 01:06:33.559
and dandy Carl will be actually playing
one of the detectives leading up that

01:06:33.559 –> 01:06:38.089
case let it be fun to see them abt
carlin Christopher Sieber will will

01:06:38.089 –> 01:06:46.190
break out in song at some point there’s
a couple more shows coming up this dick

01:06:46.190 –> 01:06:49.859
wolf who is the creator of the Law and
Order franchise now that law and order

01:06:49.859 –> 01:06:53.680
for the most part has gone down wound
down other than SVU he started up a

01:06:53.680 –> 01:06:58.400
Chicago series of shows the Chicago Fire
Chicago PDE the third installment

01:06:58.400 –> 01:07:03.779
Chicago med kicks off on november
seventeenth also on NBC and that’s going

01:07:03.779 –> 01:07:08.599
to star Colin Donnell are Colin Donnell
I’m sorry oliver plan as a paper

01:07:08.599 –> 01:07:15.559
Merkerson all Broadway fav so that’ll be
fun to see them then another shoulda

01:07:15.559 –> 01:07:20.369
just had some big casting announcements
that will start in this summer of 2016

01:07:20.369 –> 01:07:26.000
is a show called brain-dead also on CBS
and that’s gonna star Aaron Tveit and

01:07:26.000 –> 01:07:32.420
Nikki M James so some big-time young
Broadway stars transitioning over to TV

01:07:32.420 –> 01:07:37.660
it’s said to be a comic thriller that
has Park politics and part medical

01:07:37.660 –> 01:07:43.119
intrigued but it is a a a little bit of
a comedy so I’m hoping that with a show

01:07:43.119 –> 01:07:47.349
titled named brain-dead that we get some
zombies I don’t know there hasn’t been a

01:07:47.349 –> 01:07:51.670
whole lot released but I’m a big zombie
fans are hoping that Aaron Tveit Niki

01:07:51.670 –> 01:07:59.079
James can end up being zombie hunters in
some form or fashion what about madam

01:07:59.079 –> 01:08:04.369
secretary madam secretary is one that
always has some guest stars it in its

01:08:04.369 –> 01:08:09.430
regular cast you’ve got one from bebe
neuwirth you’ve got patina Miller you’ve

01:08:09.430 –> 01:08:15.400
got Eric Berg and they’re always and
Stephanie J blocks husband Sebastian

01:08:15.400 –> 01:08:19.529
Michaelis I don’t even know if that’s
pronounced correctly than I do

01:08:19.529 –> 01:08:25.009
he’s in the castle they’ve always got a
great Broadway folks in fact if you

01:08:25.009 –> 01:08:29.699
haven’t seen it a couple episodes ago it
was kinda bad say that a big

01:08:29.699 –> 01:08:37.489
washingtonDC fundraiser patina Miller
bebe neuwirth and Eric Burdon they

01:08:37.489 –> 01:08:44.569
saying a reworked parody of Billy Joel
song was it for the longest time and it

01:08:44.569 –> 01:08:48.690
was the longest time if you haven’t seen
that and you and you like those

01:08:48.690 –> 01:08:53.529
performers which most broadway folks do
that’s really cool to check out it’s

01:08:53.529 –> 01:08:57.170
kind of nice to see the three of them
harmonizing on a Billy Joel song on

01:08:57.170 –> 01:09:01.029
national television I forgot to ask you
before you know if she commented shot

01:09:01.029 –> 01:09:05.409
New York know they all three of those
Chicago shows are actually shot and in

01:09:05.409 –> 01:09:12.329
Chicago so all of those folks have have
relocated to Chicago for filming ok and

01:09:12.329 –> 01:09:18.230
you’ll Patrick Harris’s show best time
ever how they doin what do you think

01:09:18.230 –> 01:09:22.429
about it that first episode of you
followed Twitter during that first

01:09:22.429 –> 01:09:30.839
episode you saw everything from high
praise to the worst forms of insults

01:09:30.839 –> 01:09:34.500
that you can imagine for a show but I
think that speaks to what that show

01:09:34.500 –> 01:09:38.940
really is I’ve checked it out from here
and there but I know a lot of people

01:09:38.940 –> 01:09:42.989
have gone from my parents to people
younger than me that that love the show

01:09:42.989 –> 01:09:50.929
it is such a kooky variety show that has
everything from people jumping off

01:09:50.929 –> 01:09:58.659
buildings with celebrities to random
fathers dancing shirtless to embarrass

01:09:58.659 –> 01:10:03.000
their families on national television
there’s that you can do that there you

01:10:03.000 –> 01:10:08.760
go the dad body is very popular right
now James but then I watched an episode

01:10:08.760 –> 01:10:13.980
where a woman was pulled up on stage on
but you know didn’t really know what was

01:10:13.980 –> 01:10:19.639
going on and then kneel showed a video
of her boyfriend doing all these crazy

01:10:19.639 –> 01:10:22.579
things that she had no idea that he had
done traveling different parts of the

01:10:22.579 –> 01:10:27.159
country doing little bits and then it
ended up with a proposal on stage so

01:10:27.159 –> 01:10:31.070
it’s just a really fun thing he always
seemed to have some sort of nineteen

01:10:31.070 –> 01:10:32.480
seventies disco

01:10:32.480 –> 01:10:38.420
active there everyone from Gloria Gaynor
I think the weather girls saying it’s

01:10:38.420 –> 01:10:42.620
raining men at one point so it’s been a
really interesting show in the ratings

01:10:42.620 –> 01:10:47.170
have been pretty good they change time
slots which was a lot people just assume

01:10:47.170 –> 01:10:50.000
that’s because it wasn’t doing one this
time so that was actually always the

01:10:50.000 –> 01:10:55.470
plan was to move from ten o’clock to
eight o’clock when more shows joined the

01:10:55.470 –> 01:11:01.420
schedule but it’s done well and it’s a
show that was a long shot to have

01:11:01.420 –> 01:11:08.850
success just because of how random it
was it’s based on the BBC format a

01:11:08.850 –> 01:11:13.080
variety show the wheaties don’t have
here in the united states and it’s been

01:11:13.080 –> 01:11:18.010
more successful than I thought it would
be an end anytime you can see Patrick

01:11:18.010 –> 01:11:24.200
Harris on TV I’m I’m fine with that is
he having any focus on Broadway I mean

01:11:24.200 –> 01:11:29.040
they’re shooting in New York they are
shooting in New York but I only checked

01:11:29.040 –> 01:11:31.050
in here and there but I haven’t heard

01:11:31.050 –> 01:11:36.300
yea or seen anything in the episodes
that I’ve seen other than having you

01:11:36.300 –> 01:11:41.120
know maybe there might have been a
glorious Stefan was on this past week I

01:11:41.120 –> 01:11:45.580
think I’m sure they mentioned on your
feet coming to broadway but that is far

01:11:45.580 –> 01:11:49.100
as I know that’s the closest Broadway
connection they’ve had so far

01:11:49.100 –> 01:11:55.690
anything that’s up-and-coming that we
should learn are there is a lot of good

01:11:55.690 –> 01:11:59.950
stage shows coming to movie theaters
across the country here in the next few

01:11:59.950 –> 01:12:06.170
weeks to celebrate the film version of
Oklahoma 60th anniversary is coming back

01:12:06.170 –> 01:12:13.060
to theaters on November 1st and it’s a
little interesting at the beginning I’m

01:12:13.060 –> 01:12:16.590
not sure that I’ll be before the curtain
did the scheduled curtain time or maybe

01:12:16.590 –> 01:12:21.760
if you go to see a lot of these things
they often have some some pre features

01:12:21.760 –> 01:12:25.810
going on but twenty winner an emmy
winner and Oklahoma native Kristin

01:12:25.810 –> 01:12:30.320
Chenoweth is gonna be doing some song
performances that were filmed at 54

01:12:30.320 –> 01:12:35.930
below so anytime you are you can see
Kristen saying it’s a good thing even if

01:12:35.930 –> 01:12:39.060
it is on on the big screen which we
really haven’t gotten a chance to see

01:12:39.060 –> 01:12:43.370
how that much so if you’re in Oklahoma
fan definitely check your

01:12:43.370 –> 01:12:47.760
your local theaters to see where that’s
playing so that should be pretty cool

01:12:47.760 –> 01:12:52.450
there’s been some some videos released
her doing some of the songs had a time

01:12:52.450 –> 01:12:56.410
kind of two to get the word out but that
should be that should be really cool and

01:12:56.410 –> 01:13:03.210
then a couple days later on on November
3rd the West End production the reason

01:13:03.210 –> 01:13:07.330
West End production of The Importance of
Being Earnest starring David Suchet will

01:13:07.330 –> 01:13:11.250
be playing in theaters if you’re
unfamiliar with with David Suchet he

01:13:11.250 –> 01:13:17.600
played Hercule Poirot for 25 years i
think is what it was on the BBC’s

01:13:17.600 –> 01:13:23.520
Hercule Poirot mysteries he’ll be
playing Lady Bracknell which is why

01:13:23.520 –> 01:13:27.160
don’t I don’t know when that was I think
it was just with the recent the recent

01:13:27.160 –> 01:13:31.180
Broadway revival that came from London
that Lady Bracknell is now always played

01:13:31.180 –> 01:13:34.790
by a man I don’t know when that happened
but he will be playing Lady Bracknell

01:13:34.790 –> 01:13:40.540
and then based on the huge success that
happened earlier this fall on November

01:13:40.540 –> 01:13:45.730
10th and tlie National Theatre live is
bringing back Benedict Cumberbatch’s

01:13:45.730 –> 01:13:50.730
hamlet from the bar bacondo bearish on
again on November 10th so that’s always

01:13:50.730 –> 01:13:54.510
fun I missed it the first time so I was
scrambling to find other times that is

01:13:54.510 –> 01:13:57.320
just coming out and then they eventually
announced that it was coming back to

01:13:57.320 –> 01:14:02.420
tourists so that’s fine and then until
I’ve also has a production of Coriolanus

01:14:02.420 –> 01:14:10.260
that will be coming up this fall as well
I didn’t write down the the the date on

01:14:10.260 –> 01:14:16.430
that I’ll grab that stars olivier winner
in and marble Dylan Tom will stain and

01:14:16.430 –> 01:14:21.910
Hadley Fraser and that one will be back
to my notes that will be on November 12

01:14:21.910 –> 01:14:25.300
so Coriolanus November 12 and then
finally coming up at the end of November

01:14:25.300 –> 01:14:30.880
on the 30th Shakespeare’s The Winter’s
Tale starring Dame Judi Dench kenneth

01:14:30.880 –> 01:14:35.030
branaugh and and Hadley Fraser will also
be will be in theaters so a lot of good

01:14:35.030 –> 01:14:40.770
classic theater coming to movie screens
across the country so that’s always fun

01:14:40.770 –> 01:14:46.010
and it makes for good night out for
theater fans do you have a roundup on

01:14:46.010 –> 01:14:50.250
broader world that we can point your
listeners to to see what’s coming up we

01:14:50.250 –> 01:14:53.730
do we have a stage and screen section
that I think has

01:14:53.730 –> 01:15:00.070
has a calorie counter with all that also
has some some information on the TV

01:15:00.070 –> 01:15:04.330
musicals and stuff as well all rights to
me that link I put it in the show notes

01:15:04.330 –> 01:15:09.290
listening and there’s a lot of stuff
that just went by maybe you can get over

01:15:09.290 –> 01:15:14.140
to broader click on the link
and see all the stuff that met in the

01:15:14.140 –> 01:15:18.840
team over burger world has compiled for
what’s coming up on TV and film so that

01:15:18.840 –> 01:15:23.280
kinda wraps up the TV and film section
Matt how are your Ohio State Buckeyes

01:15:23.280 –> 01:15:27.040
doing their the number one team in the
country undefeated we’ve made a

01:15:27.040 –> 01:15:32.700
quarterback change that has made quite
the difference despite having a

01:15:32.700 –> 01:15:36.220
twenty-one game win streak we look like
a brand new team beaten beaten Rutgers

01:15:36.220 –> 01:15:41.700
last night so I apologize any records
alums in the new york listening area but

01:15:41.700 –> 01:15:46.489
we ended up winning was 49 to seven so
we’ll take it i mean you know we will

01:15:46.489 –> 01:15:50.640
take it big games coming up Minnesota
Illinois Michigan state-michigan

01:15:50.640 –> 01:15:55.210
shop ended the season you don’t use that
word that last one we don’t don’t use

01:15:55.210 –> 01:16:00.739
that word YM word word is that the
school up north of that team up north we

01:16:00.739 –> 01:16:04.110
never used that word during football
season so I’ll forgive you this time

01:16:04.110 –> 01:16:08.830
James you’re not a native Ohio and so
will overlook it will you be my Penn

01:16:08.830 –> 01:16:14.160
State Nittany Lions pretty good 38 ends
up there are quite a few BroadwayWorld

01:16:14.160 –> 01:16:19.920
staffers who are either we have our
Managing Editor nicole is a broadway

01:16:19.920 –> 01:16:26.250
Penn State alarm and our features editor
Karen robbins her daughter is a freshman

01:16:26.250 –> 01:16:30.750
at Penn State so we had some fun
conference calls leading up to that game

01:16:30.750 –> 01:16:35.140
so I tried not to rub it in too much

01:16:35.140 –> 01:16:39.870
Matt well thanks so much for joining us
on Friday video and you know come back

01:16:39.870 –> 01:16:41.810
in November and tell us what’s going on

01:16:41.810 –> 01:16:46.720
anytime you want ok so let’s get into
our reviews for the morning Michael and

01:16:46.720 –> 01:16:50.470
Peter both got a chance to check out to
the Paper Mill Playhouse in Millburn New

01:16:50.470 –> 01:16:56.550
Jersey and see bandstand so cute when
she shot herself with that well this is

01:16:56.550 –> 01:17:02.110
the world’s first post traumatic stress
disorder musical it is it it deals with

01:17:02.110 –> 01:17:03.580
a guy who comes back

01:17:03.580 –> 01:17:07.410
from the war and who might you

01:17:07.410 –> 01:17:13.420
yes good point I would actually is too
many was good price that we have been

01:17:13.420 –> 01:17:17.280
part of the point of it is that people
didn’t really use that term that that’s

01:17:17.280 –> 01:17:22.230
fair that’s exactly right that didn’t
look to the vietnam was so this is a

01:17:22.230 –> 01:17:26.610
nice reminder that people came back from
any war we’re having trouble readjusting

01:17:26.610 –> 01:17:34.000
and where most conservative Nina Ricci
who wants to start a band and become

01:17:34.000 –> 01:17:38.850
successful and that’s part of the
problem it’s much more about his morning

01:17:38.850 –> 01:17:45.220
success than it is about his coming to
terms with what happened in the war now

01:17:45.220 –> 01:17:49.840
some of the other members of the band
camp problems too

01:17:49.840 –> 01:17:53.770
as a result of being in more and we
touch upon those very very lightly

01:17:53.770 –> 01:17:57.830
because most of the time spent about
this guy wanting to get ahead here and

01:17:57.830 –> 01:18:02.090
be very much a Robert De Niro’s
character Jimmy Doyle in new york new

01:18:02.090 –> 01:18:05.560
york the type of guy who will not take
no for an answer the guy you must have

01:18:05.560 –> 01:18:07.240
everything his own way

01:18:07.240 –> 01:18:13.940
well anyway he also had a buddy who died
in the law and now he goes to meet the

01:18:13.940 –> 01:18:19.430
widow and decides that she’s going to be
in the Bantu so and he’s much more

01:18:19.430 –> 01:18:24.520
concerned about the fact that she be
there and be a good singer

01:18:24.520 –> 01:18:31.010
the news about her concerns that she has
as a war widow now I think they’re

01:18:31.010 –> 01:18:33.530
missing a great opportunity here and I’m
gonna tell you what I think should

01:18:33.530 –> 01:18:40.230
happen right away it should be much more
about his wanting to help her and her

01:18:40.230 –> 01:18:44.120
mother by the way that level playing a
very small world but playing it well

01:18:44.120 –> 01:18:48.980
laura is this by the way is very good
but she doesn’t have all that much to do

01:18:48.980 –> 01:18:54.350
either as the war widow know we’re
really concerned about to honey and he’s

01:18:54.350 –> 01:18:59.150
played by Corey Clark wonderfully a
galvanic only find performance nothing

01:18:59.150 –> 01:19:03.510
wrong with what he’s doing it’s what
he’s been given to say that’s the

01:19:03.510 –> 01:19:04.080

01:19:04.080 –> 01:19:09.270
ok well here’s the thing and my
suggestion would be that he budge be

01:19:09.270 –> 01:19:12.119
much more concerned about helping

01:19:12.119 –> 01:19:17.219
the war widow and mother and it will be
such an easy thing to do because what

01:19:17.219 –> 01:19:20.929
they could stress is these women had
jobs during the law and now suddenly

01:19:20.929 –> 01:19:26.999
they don’t because men have come back
from the war and so if you wanted to be

01:19:26.999 –> 01:19:32.169
noble and use the success of the ban to
help their I think that would be a very

01:19:32.169 –> 01:19:39.070
very good move for the show music spine
Richard over a very good composure and

01:19:39.070 –> 01:19:42.959
he and rubber tailored to the book and
lyrics which I as i say less successful

01:19:42.959 –> 01:19:48.309
I’m getting a little tired of seeing
this unit said at Paper Mill is the

01:19:48.309 –> 01:19:53.119
third show in a row it’s almost the same
set things that come out of the wings

01:19:53.119 –> 01:20:02.280
and little things to come dropout pop
out here and there so so it’s anybody

01:20:02.280 –> 01:20:08.159
Bueller directed very slickly in moves
very very well there is dancing

01:20:08.159 –> 01:20:13.409
the Jitterbug nature that’s pretty much
what you’d expect to see its not

01:20:13.409 –> 01:20:20.820
inspired but it’s right so that’s
perfectly in tune to so there’s one band

01:20:20.820 –> 01:20:27.379
member who has really the most severe
problem and he’s handled very very

01:20:27.379 –> 01:20:34.389
beautifully in the show and I become
more interested in him because I’m

01:20:34.389 –> 01:20:37.599
concerned about his problems in getting
over it

01:20:37.599 –> 01:20:45.389
while johnnie seems to be over it and
that’s so I wanna give a shoutout to Jo

01:20:45.389 –> 01:20:47.999
Carol plays that part

01:20:47.999 –> 01:20:52.309
very very nicely and the fact that I’m
drunk anymore than Donnie says that

01:20:52.309 –> 01:20:57.669
there is something wrong with the show
it is fixable I hope they fix it but we

01:20:57.669 –> 01:21:01.959
got to care more about this guy we’ve
got to care more about this girl and it

01:21:01.959 –> 01:21:05.669
can’t just be about making it in show

01:21:05.669 –> 01:21:11.289
alright Michael what did you think I
agree with every word P nearly a while I

01:21:11.289 –> 01:21:15.969
here’s an interesting fact it’s
interesting what you hear when you you

01:21:15.969 –> 01:21:20.209
know people hear people talk who are in
the know do you know peter that

01:21:20.209 –> 01:21:24.739
apparently when we saw the show I
believe it was just about two and a half

01:21:24.739 –> 01:21:25.330

01:21:25.330 –> 01:21:31.850
including the intermissions that cracks
as of like two nights before it was

01:21:31.850 –> 01:21:33.050
three hours

01:21:33.050 –> 01:21:37.470
Italy’s yes and someone made an absolute
point of that because they had seen it

01:21:37.470 –> 01:21:43.980
more than once at three hours so they
really did major surgery and I guess

01:21:43.980 –> 01:21:49.440
that when it’s done that quickly you
know that can result that can be a

01:21:49.440 –> 01:21:53.630
suggestion but it can also result in in
certain things that might have been

01:21:53.630 –> 01:22:00.150
smooth over if they had some more time I
yeah I i basically agree about the Corey

01:22:00.150 –> 01:22:04.270
Cott character I thought he was although
i hasten the same still much more

01:22:04.270 –> 01:22:11.640
likable than 20 in new york new york all
yeah yeah oh yeah yeah we’ve discussed

01:22:11.640 –> 01:22:19.630
oh yeah I I really liked the show in the
beginning and for most of the first act

01:22:19.630 –> 01:22:24.660
I bought anti-black if you work with
stellar I also like the way the

01:22:24.660 –> 01:22:32.380
songwriters to me the music was passed
ishi when in need you know it was it was

01:22:32.380 –> 01:22:38.480
creditably past ishi it did sound to me
like you know more or less like music of

01:22:38.480 –> 01:22:42.770
the time the swing and then the the pop
music of ww2

01:22:42.770 –> 01:22:49.710
post-war world war two era but there
were a couple of numbers that we’re out

01:22:49.710 –> 01:22:55.480
of time and they were much less
effective I thought bets level had one

01:22:55.480 –> 01:23:00.250
or two of those I got the impression
harking back to what I just said that

01:23:00.250 –> 01:23:05.620
maybe her role had been considerably
larger I don’t know that for sure but it

01:23:05.620 –> 01:23:11.550
seemed like she did not really don’t
have that much to do and I thought that

01:23:11.550 –> 01:23:17.900
I love the idea of the show and I love
the art of it and the basic idea but I

01:23:17.900 –> 01:23:23.700
think that the lyrics themselves were
really not that great and including

01:23:23.700 –> 01:23:30.360
using expressions and terms that are
really not of the period and that always

01:23:30.360 –> 01:23:32.440
took me out of it if you’re going to

01:23:32.440 –> 01:23:37.219
deal with PTSD I think that’s fantastic
I think that’s a worthy subject but the

01:23:37.219 –> 01:23:42.680
way they did it sounded like they were
doing it and you know in a 21st century

01:23:42.680 –> 01:23:53.630
way not not not in their mid 20 it so I
do agree completely flicks fixable if

01:23:53.630 –> 01:23:58.050
they could just make it have another
pass it and take more time 1906 you

01:23:58.050 –> 01:24:02.680
notice that La Russa’s character and you
know I always love her she’s just great

01:24:02.680 –> 01:24:10.390
but noticed that every idea that that
Danny Don excuse me

01:24:10.390 –> 01:24:16.070
Nowitzki came up with every single idea
he came up with she said no she was so

01:24:16.070 –> 01:24:20.890
everything even though I mean it’s one
thing for her to do not agree to change

01:24:20.890 –> 01:24:27.719
her last name even though it’s Trojan
yeah you know which one was when did you

01:24:27.719 –> 01:24:31.210
ever hear of anyone whose last name was
Trojan that took me out of it too but

01:24:31.210 –> 01:24:37.370
her married name of her dead husband is
is Trojans so she doesn’t want to change

01:24:37.370 –> 01:24:41.469
it because it’s her dead husband as you
remember and so I can understand her not

01:24:41.469 –> 01:24:46.260
wanting to change that name even though
it is that name but then every every

01:24:46.260 –> 01:24:50.370
idea he had about forming the band
moving it forward to how they were going

01:24:50.370 –> 01:24:56.860
to proceed she was no no no no no no no
and then every time he would make some

01:24:56.860 –> 01:25:01.770
moves that indicated that he was
interested in her she was very negative

01:25:01.770 –> 01:25:06.060
about that and then every single thing
that she said no to that she changed her

01:25:06.060 –> 01:25:10.120
mind in like a scene or two later so I
think they really need to work on that

01:25:10.120 –> 01:25:11.440
character a little bit more

01:25:11.440 –> 01:25:18.090
well also quote three lines here ok from
her if you’re going to be a bandleader

01:25:18.090 –> 01:25:20.750
you going to have to learn how to talk
to people

01:25:20.750 –> 01:25:24.550
parents should one the kids about people
like you you have a habit of saying

01:25:24.550 –> 01:25:29.640
things the wrong way now and again you
know we are hearing somebody’s

01:25:29.640 –> 01:25:33.360
observation here on those three of them

01:25:33.360 –> 01:25:38.630
and they were all negative in terms of
who he is and unfortunately she also has

01:25:38.630 –> 01:25:45.970
deployed in the fact that he is hard to
to take I want to Safeway Robert New

01:25:45.970 –> 01:25:49.740
Year by the way leads me to something
completely different and before I forget

01:25:49.740 –> 01:25:52.650
I really want to mention this because I
think this will be of interest to people

01:25:52.650 –> 01:25:58.540
you may know that when John Kander and
Fred ebb Road New York New York for the

01:25:58.540 –> 01:26:02.250
movies that Robert DeNiro and Liza
Minnelli would be in the narrow said

01:26:02.250 –> 01:26:06.690
they came into the sauna and analysis
that’s not that’s no good you can do

01:26:06.690 –> 01:26:10.390
better than that and they went they
wrote the song we know you’re actually

01:26:10.390 –> 01:26:15.560
have the opportunity to thank for that
song we note however harbinger records

01:26:15.560 –> 01:26:21.620
is putting out a set of John Kander
demos and recording extend what will be

01:26:21.620 –> 01:26:25.960
on that album will be the original New
York New York so we will have a chance

01:26:25.960 –> 01:26:30.210
to hear whether or not that New York he
ought to song we like better which I

01:26:30.210 –> 01:26:35.730
guess is doubtful but anyway you’ll have
a chance to hear what they came up with

01:26:35.730 –> 01:26:42.860
before I go back to work I know that’s a
complete getting away from what we’re

01:26:42.860 –> 01:26:46.250
talking about now apologize but I would
think that would be of interest cuz I’m

01:26:46.250 –> 01:26:51.710
looking forward to hearing that song yes
and one final thing on danced and I

01:26:51.710 –> 01:26:59.480
completely agree about Joe Carroll he
was so so compelling so appealing in

01:26:59.480 –> 01:27:04.050
that role and it was I think it was a
very well-written role so yes on both

01:27:04.050 –> 01:27:10.000
counts so the ban stance playing at the
Paper Mill Playhouse in Millburn New

01:27:10.000 –> 01:27:15.450
Jersey through November 8th and believe
they will get a chance to rework that

01:27:15.450 –> 01:27:20.010
and we’ll see it again on another stage
may be on this side of the river or what

01:27:20.010 –> 01:27:24.880
it’s worth it seems to me that it has
gotten very good response overall

01:27:24.880 –> 01:27:31.510
considerably better than what Peter and
I just said so but we have we spare I’ll

01:27:31.510 –> 01:27:40.050
see what were you there at the opening
yes yeah ok re going crazy right next to

01:27:40.050 –> 01:27:44.310
up my Kolkata will be to the Ars Nova
theater to see Romance language so

01:27:44.310 –> 01:27:45.650
Michael want to tell us about

01:27:45.650 –> 01:27:52.340
this is another frequent case ever
played that had a really good concept

01:27:52.340 –> 01:27:58.320
but the execution was unfortunately not
as good as it could have been a new play

01:27:58.320 –> 01:28:08.320
by Joe Godfrey three-person cast we have
Audrey Hepburn in Meijer playing hey who

01:28:08.320 –> 01:28:19.100
is a middle aged obviously welty
Manhattan woman decides that she is

01:28:19.100 –> 01:28:25.830
going to get back into life and the way
she decides to do that is she hires a

01:28:25.830 –> 01:28:32.270
very attractive young man to give her
Italian lessons in her home and her

01:28:32.270 –> 01:28:37.120
husband by the way is dead but they had
been separated or divorced I can

01:28:37.120 –> 01:28:43.630
remember now before his death so that
there are a lot of issues involved in

01:28:43.630 –> 01:28:51.050
that especially when case daughter Penny
so wassup played by Marion leave and by

01:28:51.050 –> 01:28:55.870
the way the young Italian structure is
your day and he’s played by jareds are

01:28:55.870 –> 01:29:02.840
really in a really amazing performance
Jared’s are really I’ve seen in a few

01:29:02.840 –> 01:29:10.340
other things just a few he was pretty
fealty which I didn’t like that so much

01:29:10.340 –> 01:29:15.410
but he was great in that also he I i
dont know I mean his name sounds Italian

01:29:15.410 –> 01:29:19.460
so I imagine he see he’s got the
background but his accent really sounded

01:29:19.460 –> 01:29:27.960
absolutely perfect to me and he looked
at part just great so in a nutshell what

01:29:27.960 –> 01:29:36.150
happens is that ok and fury wind up
becoming attracted to each other she

01:29:36.150 –> 01:29:41.110
actually makes the first move in
inviting him to to the opera with her

01:29:41.110 –> 01:29:46.960
and he’s very happy to do that it’s the
point is maybe he you know he did not

01:29:46.960 –> 01:29:50.230
have a lot of money and he doesn’t
really have a full-time job is just

01:29:50.230 –> 01:29:52.540
giving these Italian lessons

01:29:52.540 –> 01:29:56.170
so they start to become close even
though there’s quite a bit of an age

01:29:56.170 –> 01:30:00.080
difference in and then the daughter
shows up and immediately assumes that

01:30:00.080 –> 01:30:05.720
you re is a gigolo and it’s just after
her mother’s money so the balkan the

01:30:05.720 –> 01:30:10.640
play is trying to figure out whether or
not that is true but it’s complicated by

01:30:10.640 –> 01:30:16.190
the fact that it turns out that many the
daughter has a lot of daddy issues a lot

01:30:16.190 –> 01:30:21.380
of issues in the regarding these failed
relationship with her mother and her now

01:30:21.380 –> 01:30:26.660
dead father so so actually the good
thing about the play is that we really

01:30:26.660 –> 01:30:34.770
don’t know and even at the end we are
not entirely sure if you re is a gigolo

01:30:34.770 –> 01:30:41.370
or if the daughter is has engineered
things and and maybe lied about things

01:30:41.370 –> 01:30:46.980
in order to shoot try to get him out of
her mother’s life and I really like that

01:30:46.980 –> 01:30:51.900
very much I just thought it was quite
repetitive and could have been shorter

01:30:51.900 –> 01:31:00.030
and some of the dialogue was was rather
clunky but here again not unfixable and

01:31:00.030 –> 01:31:05.570
I i do look forward to more work by Joe
Godfrey I just think maybe maybe some

01:31:05.570 –> 01:31:10.660
more so more time spent a few have few
more drafts through which would really

01:31:10.660 –> 01:31:21.340
improve it alright so Romance language
is a Torsen over on 54th Street and it’s

01:31:21.340 –> 01:31:25.930
also running through November 8 so check
it out if this interests you are Peter

01:31:25.930 –> 01:31:32.070
and Michael got a chance to see trip of
love at stage 42 which is the former

01:31:32.070 –> 01:31:33.920
little sugar is that correct

01:31:33.920 –> 01:31:38.930
get the correct and so both the you got
a chance to see its appeal to start us

01:31:38.930 –> 01:31:47.330
off with that well because the baby
boomers were busy in a youth with sex

01:31:47.330 –> 01:31:53.140
drugs rocknroll and and political
concerns they passed up scene shows

01:31:53.140 –> 01:31:59.180
nightclubs like the Latin Quarter the
coke diamond horseshoe you know so now

01:31:59.180 –> 01:32:02.170
those places are long gone but will miss
him now

01:32:02.170 –> 01:32:07.340
late middle aged and that’s probably
euphemism so they feel they miss

01:32:07.340 –> 01:32:11.430
something by not going to Latin Quarter
the Cobra the diamond horseshoe they

01:32:11.430 –> 01:32:16.920
have a second chance to see a showgirl
studded review and you have to pay the

01:32:16.920 –> 01:32:21.560
dividend charge of the two drink minimum
a trip of love when you look at the

01:32:21.560 –> 01:32:26.370
directors don’t you see the problem
immediately with this show because he

01:32:26.370 –> 01:32:29.270
starts talking about you know when I
never abused anyone these three times

01:32:29.270 –> 01:32:33.590
like bubbling brown sugar and those were
the good old days ok

01:32:33.590 –> 01:32:39.120
the very next paragraph and i’m quoting
now there was a time when broadway was

01:32:39.120 –> 01:32:50.310
filled with review style shows fun ok
now then he says oh right ok

01:32:50.310 –> 01:32:58.680
yes ship of love follows a young girl
and her dream after falling down the

01:32:58.680 –> 01:33:05.590
rabbit hole and taking a magic mushroom
the cast of characters and the story is

01:33:05.590 –> 01:33:11.820
her creation and her dream ok now when
when you start saying it’s to review

01:33:11.820 –> 01:33:17.240
review in Plaistow story then you talk
about the story that they’ve created you

01:33:17.240 –> 01:33:21.630
know what it is this reviewer’s you know
and so that dichotomy is really a big

01:33:21.630 –> 01:33:27.040
problem because if you could have pulled
me out and grab hold of the magic

01:33:27.040 –> 01:33:30.650
mushroom it just seemed like review to
me one song after the other

01:33:30.650 –> 01:33:36.980
the one thing I do want to point out
about your loved is that unlike smoky

01:33:36.980 –> 01:33:43.030
joe’s cafe we went new basically saw a
back wall of the fire escape and little

01:33:43.030 –> 01:33:48.470
says building on here in there wow did
they throw money at this thing I’ll tell

01:33:48.470 –> 01:33:55.600
you virtually every scene has a
completely different backdrop much

01:33:55.600 –> 01:34:03.170
racemes electronic and wow i mean it’s
not really that it not sure eyes out as

01:34:03.170 –> 01:34:06.780
much as you say wow they really spend
money they didn’t they

01:34:06.780 –> 01:34:12.460
so it’s not cheap to standard cost
eleven million dollars I’m not saying

01:34:12.460 –> 01:34:17.490
I’m right about that but that’s what
I’ve heard so it doesn’t look like 11

01:34:17.490 –> 01:34:22.360
million to me I’ll tell you but
nevertheless it it certainly was not

01:34:22.360 –> 01:34:26.820
done on the cheap when it could have
been we wouldn’t start anything of

01:34:26.820 –> 01:34:32.260
having lunch let’s set and people coming
out he singing one song after the other

01:34:32.260 –> 01:34:41.230
the people of especially a woman named
Lori wells sure looks sort of looks like

01:34:41.230 –> 01:34:47.470
started shaving yeah I thought so funny
you know I mean looking like stockard

01:34:47.470 –> 01:34:48.000

01:34:48.000 –> 01:34:54.140
younger and for the fixture list but you
know i mean anyway she has a very nice

01:34:54.140 –> 01:34:58.990
voice very soldiers are very nice way
about her and she has to sing songs like

01:34:58.990 –> 01:35:01.280
both sides now

01:35:01.280 –> 01:35:05.570
the windows of your mind because we are
going back into that era of the baby

01:35:05.570 –> 01:35:10.659
boomers songs but they’re not
particularly done in the way that we we

01:35:10.659 –> 01:35:14.869
heard them on the recordings sometimes
yes sometimes no and you expect that

01:35:14.869 –> 01:35:23.960
from our review she’s very good if you
go away but here’s the thing now if you

01:35:23.960 –> 01:35:30.409
go away she singing and above her on
platforms are two men who stripped down

01:35:30.409 –> 01:35:36.690
to their skivvies you know I guess not
going away and I mean they’ve gotten

01:35:36.690 –> 01:35:41.699
this invitation from her you know so but
no sooner they get down to their tighty

01:35:41.699 –> 01:35:46.880
whities relation address again I don’t
know if that means that they just

01:35:46.880 –> 01:35:50.239
finished and wham bam thank you ma’am
you know they just finished I don’t know

01:35:50.239 –> 01:35:55.500
what is supposed to mean I but you know
again is just a dream you know so and

01:35:55.500 –> 01:36:00.360
that such a convenient thing to do
because in a dream anything ever

01:36:00.360 –> 01:36:03.780
happened and that’s where you can
justify you know I can see people going

01:36:03.780 –> 01:36:07.860
up to this James Wolski and say well
this doesn’t make says hayes just a

01:36:07.860 –> 01:36:15.110
dream you know and that way you get away
with it so a woman comes on as soon as

01:36:15.110 –> 01:36:21.280
you don’t own me and we don’t know who
you is but then I guess you comes on and

01:36:21.280 –> 01:36:25.739
for a few seconds she sings to him and
then he sings what becomes of the

01:36:25.739 –> 01:36:29.440
brokenhearted so I guess he’s broken
hearted and but either from on his side

01:36:29.440 –> 01:36:36.250
of her sides of it it’s it’s not as
terrible as I’m making a sound really

01:36:36.250 –> 01:36:40.980
isn’t you know I mean it just it just
sits there you you said you watch you

01:36:40.980 –> 01:36:45.989
listen you go home I was at a party the
other night and a woman came up to me

01:36:45.989 –> 01:36:50.070
told me she’d seems that the old songs
again and if you can go with that

01:36:50.070 –> 01:36:53.900
vantage point you know if you’re in the
old songs again you gonna be alright by

01:36:53.900 –> 01:37:00.340
the thing is because the sixties they
decide to bring some political issues

01:37:00.340 –> 01:37:02.179

01:37:02.179 –> 01:37:07.360
like where have all the flowers gone if
you know that song which and the woman

01:37:07.360 –> 01:37:11.739
who sings the line gone to graveyards
everywhere just won’t stop smiling

01:37:11.739 –> 01:37:17.999
anymore than in a pen marked as a
ruthless a kid I mean it’s just amazing

01:37:17.999 –> 01:37:25.840
to me how she’s smiling while seen that
means so and you know given the show is

01:37:25.840 –> 01:37:29.599
called trip of love they would have
gotten away with not having to deal with

01:37:29.599 –> 01:37:33.320
political stuff and I think they would
have been better off because otherwise

01:37:33.320 –> 01:37:37.249
you just such a river how could that
song was and you know when you bring the

01:37:37.249 –> 01:37:43.050
political stuff gotta remember this was
a tumultuous time and a lot of no jokes

01:37:43.050 –> 01:37:48.070
during the period of time so I don’t
think a show called your love is under a

01:37:48.070 –> 01:37:53.260
responsibility to deal with this and I
think that’s one of the places they went

01:37:53.260 –> 01:37:59.369
wrong but whatever way you not gonna
feel you get your money’s worth in terms

01:37:59.369 –> 01:38:03.709
of what your eyes see Michael what did
you think again

01:38:03.709 –> 01:38:09.849
agree with every word that did there was
actually a number that was actually set

01:38:09.849 –> 01:38:14.539
in vietnam I believe it was blowing in
the wind with the two guys were sitting

01:38:14.539 –> 01:38:19.019
on the stage and obviously there are
supposed to be there I think they’re

01:38:19.019 –> 01:38:25.360
tremendous mistake was attempting to
have any kind of a story whether you

01:38:25.360 –> 01:38:31.280
know even as ridiculous as it may be in
that note you read and whether whether

01:38:31.280 –> 01:38:35.630
you know and if they were going to have
money I mean really the shifts from

01:38:35.630 –> 01:38:43.269
incredibly light hearted songs like
downtown and and it’s not unusual to do

01:38:43.269 –> 01:38:48.630
you know where have all the flowers gone
and and and these anti war peace songs

01:38:48.630 –> 01:38:55.650
it’s it’s done so badly that you like
are you serious I don’t I wish he hadn’t

01:38:55.650 –> 01:39:01.409
done that I think this fellow James
Wolski it was actually the credit is

01:39:01.409 –> 01:39:02.769

01:39:02.769 –> 01:39:06.880
directed and choreographed I think I
know there I was needed you know I

01:39:06.880 –> 01:39:11.239
really do and this show actually it made
me sad more than anything because there

01:39:11.239 –> 01:39:13.610
is so much talent

01:39:13.610 –> 01:39:20.210
on stage and I think the choreography
although to use that word you used to

01:39:20.210 –> 01:39:27.230
advance and it’s not like innovative but
it wouldn’t it’s not supposed to be the

01:39:27.230 –> 01:39:32.210
choreography for what it was supposed to
be is excellent and the performance of

01:39:32.210 –> 01:39:40.030
it is is beyond great that kept this one
of the hardest working cast ever a shout

01:39:40.030 –> 01:39:45.050
out to David elder who we know from
among other things the 42nd Street

01:39:45.050 –> 01:39:52.330
revival and Titanic still singing and
dancing and looking like a million

01:39:52.330 –> 01:40:00.620
dollars as George also Austin Miller
from Greece live when rebels that that

01:40:00.620 –> 01:40:05.470
TV reality show and Laura wells yeah I I
thought she had an absolutely beautiful

01:40:05.470 –> 01:40:10.980
voice although some of her phrasing
bothered me I would have I would have

01:40:10.980 –> 01:40:14.460
said you know can you may be seeing some
of those note values the way they’re

01:40:14.460 –> 01:40:20.320
written but I don’t know if that was her
choice also Joey Calipari has been the

01:40:20.320 –> 01:40:26.720
shoot things beyond Figgins cherub polls
show and this Kelly felt house I guess

01:40:26.720 –> 01:40:33.150
that was her right Carolina whose vocal
resemblance to Kristin Chenoweth was

01:40:33.150 –> 01:40:38.650
absolutely freakish I thought and I know
to other people who agreed with me so I

01:40:38.650 –> 01:40:43.680
I guess it wasn’t hearing things listed
in her lower register they were there

01:40:43.680 –> 01:40:49.740
was no soprano in this so we didn’t get
to hear that but she’s so much like her

01:40:49.740 –> 01:40:54.070
and even looked a little bit like a
little devils great but yeah I was sorry

01:40:54.070 –> 01:40:58.790
that this show came from Japan did you
mention that which I guess partly

01:40:58.790 –> 01:41:04.800
explains the money and partly explains
why the hell prints is now in Japan he

01:41:04.800 –> 01:41:13.190
said that the projections are state of
the art mind-boggling Radio City Music

01:41:13.190 –> 01:41:21.060
Hall Christmas Spectacular level the
sets also are very very expensive and

01:41:21.060 –> 01:41:28.340
elaborate I i one of the things about
the show is that there were a few things

01:41:28.340 –> 01:41:33.030
in it that at all we’re so tasteless
that they brought down the the level of

01:41:33.030 –> 01:41:37.590
the whole thing so if those things have
been cut that would have been that would

01:41:37.590 –> 01:41:40.940
make me feel better that the set-piece
they used at the beginning and the end I

01:41:40.940 –> 01:41:46.180
guess to represent the rabbit hole to me
it just looked like a big vagina and

01:41:46.180 –> 01:41:53.470
then there was one point where active
the end of Act one is ever and I guess

01:41:53.470 –> 01:41:59.670
the aforementioned Lori well as well as
he was supposed to be seeing the at the

01:41:59.670 –> 01:42:07.040
wedding of Adam and Caroline but in the
meantime angela is sitting on a swing

01:42:07.040 –> 01:42:13.530
that’s hanging from the flies and it’s
like really you know so there were a few

01:42:13.530 –> 01:42:18.990
things over there were really tasteless
III love the costumes you know as over

01:42:18.990 –> 01:42:22.620
the top as they were but but there again
if there had not been any serious

01:42:22.620 –> 01:42:28.440
content in the show it it would have
been easier it would have been easier to

01:42:28.440 –> 01:42:32.840
take because then you wouldn’t have
questioned some of the things that were

01:42:32.840 –> 01:42:40.020
really over the top in and maybe not in
great taste so I I felt I am I felt sad

01:42:40.020 –> 01:42:47.240
and a little angry that somewhat there
hadn’t been another I to help this James

01:42:47.240 –> 01:42:50.300
Wolski in putting this this piece
together cuz I think that would have

01:42:50.300 –> 01:42:56.210
helped tremendously Michael Matt
mentioned Adam and Angela who have the

01:42:56.210 –> 01:43:00.820
other one was they all have games
they’re not just their actors names of

01:43:00.820 –> 01:43:04.450
the programs they all have names but you
would never know it nobody reversers to

01:43:04.450 –> 01:43:08.550
each other by that name so you have to
do more than just give me characters

01:43:08.550 –> 01:43:14.290
names to make some characters so
four-month scenes in the next I never

01:43:14.290 –> 01:43:18.060
got the impression anybody was character
I just got the impression they were

01:43:18.060 –> 01:43:20.500
coming out and singing the song

01:43:20.500 –> 01:43:25.460
so triple of his playing at stage 42 its
open-ended and they’re selling tickets

01:43:25.460 –> 01:43:33.960
through June do we think that it’s going
to find an audience we don’t know though

01:43:33.960 –> 01:43:38.240
I am NOT 100% certain that is that would
have been before I met this lady of a

01:43:38.240 –> 01:43:42.320
party to bring up the thing that I hear
a lot from all of the shows like Smokey

01:43:42.320 –> 01:43:47.960
Joe’s café and that is it’s good to
hear the old songs again I Jersey Boys

01:43:47.960 –> 01:43:51.650
to Jersey Boys of course has a very good
book a solid book and I know that’s one

01:43:51.650 –> 01:43:56.280
of the reasons why it’s been here now
and forever but the thing is that all

01:43:56.280 –> 01:44:03.780
things considered the average person who
hasn’t heard these songs the average

01:44:03.780 –> 01:44:08.100
baby-boomer hasn’t heard these songs in
a while we’ll get some sort of happiness

01:44:08.100 –> 01:44:13.930
out of that so so well I don’t think
they’ll be here through June they may be

01:44:13.930 –> 01:44:21.020
here a few days more than I suspect one
more plus and minus there is there I had

01:44:21.020 –> 01:44:28.330
forgotten or didn’t even realize there’s
an actual orchestra pit in theater and

01:44:28.330 –> 01:44:33.720
open orchestra pit in this case which is
fantastic and I thought the I thought

01:44:33.720 –> 01:44:39.800
the arrangements and orchestrations were
really excellent but on the minus side I

01:44:39.800 –> 01:44:46.440
thought everything was a little too loud
so so there’s that plus and minus all

01:44:46.440 –> 01:44:54.270
right before we wrap up my Kolkata got a
chance to see product production of ok a

01:44:54.270 –> 01:45:00.060
musical tonight and while it is closing
today October 25th we wanted to mention

01:45:00.060 –> 01:45:03.850
it for an outstanding performance of
Michael wanna tell us about that yes

01:45:03.850 –> 01:45:08.030
full disclosure as I’ve mentioned before
I take the production photos for the

01:45:08.030 –> 01:45:08.700

01:45:08.700 –> 01:45:12.840
musical tonight so take that for what
it’s worth but I have to say this is one

01:45:12.840 –> 01:45:19.120
of their best shows ever they have a new
director choreographer for this show

01:45:19.120 –> 01:45:25.740
Casey Colgan they actually have five new
directors for the five shows they’re

01:45:25.740 –> 01:45:30.650
doing this coming season one of whom is
Evan pappas did you know that Peter no I

01:45:30.650 –> 01:45:31.460

01:45:31.460 –> 01:45:36.570
yeah and so they’ve they’ve gotten new
blood in it they had initially announced

01:45:36.570 –> 01:45:42.330
that this is going to be the last season
but I think that they have the whole

01:45:42.330 –> 01:45:49.800
hold companies feels reinvigorated and
and it’s so they did they have announced

01:45:49.800 –> 01:45:53.090
that there is not going to be the last
season that they’re 18 season by the way

01:45:53.090 –> 01:45:56.980
so hopefully they’ll at least make it 20
if not beyond but I did want to mention

01:45:56.980 –> 01:46:04.520
to show because for a few things it this
is the original ok not the awful rewrite

01:46:04.520 –> 01:46:09.540
nice work if you can get it that we saw
a few years ago and the cast was really

01:46:09.540 –> 01:46:13.960
very strong about the across the board
but I really do want to mention this

01:46:13.960 –> 01:46:22.210
Elizabeth Broadhurst who I thought was
stellar SK she just had so much charisma

01:46:22.210 –> 01:46:29.000
a lovely surprise know her two separate
British accents upper class and lower

01:46:29.000 –> 01:46:35.830
sounded great to me and she looked
beautiful and and just seemed really

01:46:35.830 –> 01:46:42.550
sparkled on stage and I i do think that
we are going to hear much more from her

01:46:42.550 –> 01:46:47.940
so far she has played grace in any at
Madison Square Garden with kathy lee

01:46:47.940 –> 01:46:52.060
gifford and John shock and she has
toured as missus banks and Mary

01:46:52.060 –> 01:46:59.370
understudy in Mary Poppins and she did a
European Tour’s hair 1776 at the Guthrie

01:46:59.370 –> 01:47:04.500
as Martha just Jefferson I i really I
think you’re going to hear her name

01:47:04.500 –> 01:47:09.780
again so so definitely remember that
Elizabeth Broadhurst let’s hear at the

01:47:09.780 –> 01:47:16.370
Broadhurst I was just thinking all right
so that kind of wraps it up for this

01:47:16.370 –> 01:47:20.360
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the things we’ve talked about today so

01:47:54.460 –> 01:47:59.270
the answer the trivia from last week
Michael wanna check that yes the

01:47:59.270 –> 01:48:06.850
question was there is a musical in which
at one point the leading lady calls

01:48:06.850 –> 01:48:11.350
herself by another name she tells the
leading man that her name is something

01:48:11.350 –> 01:48:15.790
other than it actually is and she took
pics another name

01:48:15.790 –> 01:48:21.000
there’s another musical at which at one
point the leading man calls the leading

01:48:21.000 –> 01:48:26.150
lady by the name other than her own and
in both of those cases the name is the

01:48:26.150 –> 01:48:29.480
same so the question was what is the
name of the characters what are the

01:48:29.480 –> 01:48:35.310
shows and the name is Mel assigned
because in bells are ringing Ella

01:48:35.310 –> 01:48:40.910
Peterson finally meets Jeffrey Moss but
he doesn’t realize that she does she’s

01:48:40.910 –> 01:48:47.390
the woman who’s been taking his abstract
service messages and she doesn’t want

01:48:47.390 –> 01:48:50.880
him to know that so at one point he asks
her name and she says

01:48:50.880 –> 01:49:01.400
melis under Scots and then in 110 in the
shade when Lizzie and Starbucks finally

01:49:01.400 –> 01:49:06.280
start to get together later in the show
he says something to the effect of

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lizzie is it’s not a you know it’s it’s
a common name it’s not it doesn’t suit

01:49:10.630 –> 01:49:14.570
you and your name should be something
like Nellis and then he sings a whole

01:49:14.570 –> 01:49:22.520
really beautiful song a really fantastic
number called malice on about

01:49:22.520 –> 01:49:29.220
weaving this fantastic tale of the
Golden Fleece and he he puts together

01:49:29.220 –> 01:49:34.120
hamlet in the story of Jason and the
Argonauts and then use this wonderful

01:49:34.120 –> 01:49:39.970
really funny beautiful tale about about

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el-assad and then the man who is
striving for her so this week out to be

01:49:46.020 –> 01:49:50.680
correct answers to the question the
first from Carolina card the second from

01:49:50.680 –> 01:49:54.980
John Bakerella and that their trim steve
bell and one interesting thing is John

01:49:54.980 –> 01:49:59.190
Bakerella wrote and I had to laugh
because I knew exactly what he meant he

01:49:59.190 –> 01:50:03.320
said he had to double check it because
he wasn’t sure if he’ll let Peterson

01:50:03.320 –> 01:50:08.760
said her name was Milla since it was
funny because I first new bells are

01:50:08.760 –> 01:50:14.220
ringing from the original cast recording
before I had seen it before I did the

01:50:14.220 –> 01:50:21.280
show before I saw the movie and it does
sound to me like she says like she sings

01:50:21.280 –> 01:50:26.120
judy holliday sings he’s in love with
millicent Scott but it wasn’t until I

01:50:26.120 –> 01:50:29.880
saw the movie and then read the script
of the show and we did in high school

01:50:29.880 –> 01:50:35.310
that I found out that it in fact that
smell assigned so I’m glad to know I

01:50:35.310 –> 01:50:40.650
wasn’t the only one who thought you said
millicent Peter give us the new trivia

01:50:40.650 –> 01:50:47.960
question sure call me McKenzie has been
a character in what world-famous musical

01:50:47.960 –> 01:50:57.050
that said can you can see has been a
character and what world-famous musical

01:50:57.050 –> 01:50:59.560
is the first named Connie

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CNN I E that’s right are ready if you
know that answer email us at trivia at

01:51:06.940 –> 01:51:13.930
broader and we will let you
know if you come up on the right answers

01:51:13.930 –> 01:51:19.400
so on behalf of Michael port entier Matt
tammany and beautiful Asia this is James

01:51:19.400 –> 01:51:23.240
Moreno sink thanks so much for listen to
Broadway video this week on broadway bye

01:51:23.240 –> 01:51:25.280
bye bye

01:51:25.280 –> 01:51:29.950
I’ve got the greatest named the greatest

01:51:29.950 –> 01:51:35.190
just he’s

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I don’t like it that’s because you don’t
know anything about it when I tell you

01:51:42.380 –> 01:51:44.070
who she was

01:51:44.070 –> 01:51:52.710
lady when I tell you who she were who
why she was the most beautiful

01:51:52.710 –> 01:51:58.920
she was a beautiful wife of King Hamlet
ever hear of him

01:51:58.920 –> 01:52:14.060
go on Starbucks somewhere that well
royal fella King Hamlet who had a total

01:52:14.060 –> 01:52:27.280
dog and he loved her so I tell you what
medicine was bothered so tell me what

01:52:27.280 –> 01:52:36.190
you need and Ellis I’ve got me a dream
I’ve always wanted a golden fleece and


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