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James Marino interviews Mitch Weiss, author of the book, The Business of Broadway. Peter Filichia, Michael Portantiere, and Carey Purcell join in for reviews of The Public Theater’s production of Cymbeline, and the Broadway production of Hamilton, Peter reviews the 1214 Foundation’s production of Liberty Smith @ Newtown High School, and we talk about Carey’s article from Playbill, “Career or Children? Why Theatre Parents Feel Forced to Choose”
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Panel:
Peter Filichia | [email protected] | Facebook
PETER FILICHIA is a theater journalist and historian with a number of books, his most recent is, “The Great Parade”, available everywhere. His columns appear at MTI, Kritzerland, Masterworks Broadway, Broadway Select and many other places.
James Marino | [email protected] | Twitter | Facebook
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Michael Portantiere | [email protected] | Facebook
MICHAEL PORTANTIERE is a theater reviewer and essayist, whose work appears at TalkinBroadway, The Sondheim Review and BroadwayStars. He is also a theatrical photographer whose photos have appeared in The New York Times and other major publications. You can see his photography work at FollowSpotPhoto.com.
Carey Purcell | [email protected] | Twitter | Website
CAREY PURCELL is a staff writer and the features editor of Playbill.com. Her new column, “A Woman’s World” focuses on covering women’s issues, both on and Off-Broadway by highlighting successful women in the industry and the challenges they have faced. She can be followed on Twitter @PlaybillCarey and at her blog CareyPurcell.com.
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Guest: Mitch Weiss, Author, Manager
The Business of Broadway by Mitch Weiss and Perri Gaffney
An Insider’s Guide to Working, Producing, and Investing in the World’s Greatest Theatre Community
Mitch Weiss has managed several hundred Broadway and off-Broadway shows including Tony Award-winners A Chorus Line, The Grapes of Wrath, and Beauty and the Beast, and has over forty years of management and producing experience with such clients as Disney Theatrical Productions, New York Shakespeare Festival, and Big Apple Circus, as well as many other successful and well-known recording, sports, and theatrical artists. He has been a certified ATPAM manager since 1985 and teaches management courses at New York University. He is the author of Managing Artists in Pop Music with Perri Gaffney (Allworth Press). He lives in New York City.
Reviews:
PF + CP + MP: The Public Theater’s production of Cymbeline @ The Delacorte Theater in Central Park, through August 23, 2015
Flashback — This Week on Broadway for July 19, 2015: Raul Esparza, Wild Party
CP + MP + JM: Hamilton @ Richard Rodgers Theatre, 226 W 46th St
Lin-Manuel Miranda Performs at the White House Poetry Jam
Writer and star of the Broadway musical In the Heights, Lin-Manuel Miranda performs “The Hamilton Mixtape” at the White House Evening of Poetry, Music, and the Spoken Word on May 12, 2009. Accompanied by Alex Lacamoire.
“Hamilton”: A founding father takes to the stage by CBS Sunday Morning
When Lin-Manuel Miranda sings about the drive of the “young, scrappy and hungry” immigrant, he’s not singing about just any immigrant. He’s singing about the man on the ten dollar bill, Alexander Hamilton. As Mo Rocca reports, Hamilton’s musical journey to the stage is as revolutionary as the young revolutionary who helped create the America we know.
Not Throwing Away My Shot (Tumblr)
Everything “Hamilton”
PF: 1214 Foundation’s production of Liberty Smith @ Newtown High School, CT
Flashback — This Week on Broadway for September 10, 2012: Van Dean
News:
Career or Children? Why Theatre Parents Feel Forced to Choose by Carey Purcell
Flashback — This Week on Broadway for March 1, 2015: Georgia Stitt
The Lilly Awards
Recognizing Extraordinary Contributions To The American Theatre Made By Women
100 Essays I Don’t Have Time to Write: On Umbrellas and Sword Fights, Parades and Dogs, Fire Alarms, Children, and Theater*
*Please consider these essays as starting points. Consider them starting points for someone else to finish.These essays were written over a period of about five years, a period in which I also gave birth to three babies. In a way these essays were my best defense against the vaporous lack of memory that comes with very little sleep. As an exercise, I would see, if I happened to have had a thought in the morning, if I could hold it, and write it down by nightfall, after the kids had gone to sleep. Those thoughts, held fast against sleeplessness and various other forms of domestic chaos, became this collection of short essays.
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coming up on friday deals this week on
broadway we interview Mitch Weiss who is
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the author of the book business a
broadway Peter Michael in Cary join in
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for reviews helped the Public Theater’s
production is simply in the Broadway
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production of Hamilton Peter review the
twelve fourteen foundations production
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of Liberty Smith at Newtown High School
and we talked about carries article from
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playbill career or children why theater
parents feel forced to choose that plus
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more please stay tuned
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shot hello and welcome to broadly videos
this week on Broadway for Sunday August
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16th 2015 it’s a hot one here in New
York in my name is James Moreno with us
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this morning we have beautiful Asian
Michael port on tiara and carry purcell
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peter is a theater journalist and
historian with a number of books his
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most recent is the great parade which is
available everywhere his column security
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empty I creature land masterworks
Broadway Broadway select in many other
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places good morning peter i hi also with
this is Mike important here michael is a
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theater reviewer in essayists his work
appears to talkin Broadway the tops on
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time review and Broadway stars he is
also at the actual photographer whose
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photos have appeared in the New York
Times in many other major publications
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you can see it’s photography work at
five spot photos are calm good morning
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Michael morning also with this is Carrie
purcell carey is a staff writer and
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features editor playbill.com her new
column a woman’s world focuses on
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uncovering women’s issues both on and
off Broadway by highlighting successful
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women in the industry and the challenges
that they have faced she can be followed
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on Twitter at play bill Carey and her
blog carry purcell dot com twenty carry
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good morning with us today we have a
very special guest Mitch Weiss who is
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the co-author of the business of
Broadway is joining us to tell us about
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what it’s like to write a book that
talks about the Broadway business
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the subtitle of the book is an insider’s
guide to working purchasing and
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investing in the world’s greatest
theater community I met Harry you i
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James great to talk to you all thanks
for coming on I really appreciated I was
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very intrigued by this book I love the
process books about how to get from
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point A to point B in a lot of our
listeners are either students or people
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that run a regional theaters and this
type of information doesn’t very often
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make it out there because we’re so
enthralled with videos of cell phone
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people plugging stuff in on stage and
still the real information doesn’t make
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it out
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unless you come to New York and work for
a producer AGM and so I wanna know
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what’s your story how did you acquire
all this knowledge
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well it has to do with age and being
around long enough to have accumulated
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knowledge as a manager the greatest part
of the job is I know what everybody
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else’s life is about
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I know when the wardrobe person has an
answer was sick I know when someone’s
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pregnant I know someone’s drunk I know
if someone has a complaint against
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someone else I know what everyone’s
getting paid I know how they got their
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job and relatives they are every aspect
of every part of the show is very
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personal for me because that’s how I
help keep everybody working together and
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you’re talking about the general
manager’s position in a Broadway show
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right and company managed company manage
the company manager job is the day to
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day running of the show the general
manager oversees the larger picture in
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the negotiations and the setting up of
the shore and makes the largest
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decisions but the company manager is a
TV show and therefore represents the
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producer and the general manager moment
by moment basis so how did you get into
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this what was your first job in theater
and in Broadway actually I started his
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musical director and composer I had a
few shows produced originally but I
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wanted to learn from the best guess the
auction was do I become a big fish in a
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small party or do I get to be a small
fish in a big pond and I always wanted
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to work for help Prix was my dream and
my first job on Broadway was the
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original Pacific overtures working
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for how Prince wow I was the assistant
press rep which of course is not
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something nice to be but it was my would
have empty garbage can so it didn’t
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matter to me and I learned a tremendous
amount on that show in just a few months
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that it ran the same year as a chorus
line and Chicago so it didn’t have a
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chance in excuse the expression hell
yeah
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voted win two Tony Awards and it didn’t
win drama drama drama desk no wasn’t
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drunk and maybe it was best musical but
that was because it was the previous
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year from a chorus line 1011 of the big
awards and it was a wonderful show I
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I got to work with my first big
celebrity as the system I get I got to
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ask or Elizabeth Taylor Laurie backstage
an introducer to cast that was all Asian
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American South Saito and jobs for
Motorola Marco I had a lot to learn so
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I’m going through your bio here and it
says you’ve managed that’s as several
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hundred Broadway and off-broadway shows
including Tony award-winners the core a
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chorus line Grapes of Wrath and Beauty
and the Beast so how did you get from
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the system Press wrap all the way to
into the company manager and GM’s office
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heart lock part because I was constantly
introducing myself to people when
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walking into people’s offices after too
few months some Pacific overtures I
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ended up winning producer kermit bloom
gardens artists who was doing Equus and
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opening poor murderer which was not a
success and I it was better than waiting
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on tables for me and I still thought I
was going to end up a musical director
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in fact whereas I’m Pacific overtures
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as I played piano for some of these
actors in the course who were
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auditioning for other shows and they
would ask me to just cannot accompany
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them so I was keeping that you going but
I was thrilled end up on their questions
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and Paul murder and camera blooming
garden another amazing producer you know
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having done the miracle worker and Diary
of Anne Frank and of course working on
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it goes to school hallways and from
there I finally figured out what’s going
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on and let the next person I had to work
for with joe papp and it took me a
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couple years to get there and a lot of
unemployment but I eventually made it
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into the Public Theater and three and a
half years and that kind of solidified
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my life as a manager thats where I was
headed in that’s what I was going to end
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up doing so you also have been a member
of a cam since 1985 so tell our
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listeners who don’t know what a pam is
what it is and how that relates to
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Broadway yes and please anybody who’s
thinking of joining me at camp manager
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association of the actual press agents
and managers wanted 18 unions on
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broadway which amazes many people there
are very few industries that is so you
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know he’s but then again there are still
unscrupulous people out there who would
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find a way not to pay people were on
broadway if they could hold unions help
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make sure that happens he’ll make sure
we get pensions and health care it’s not
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so much that we get paid that much it’s
just the benefits and the security so I
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i very much and union guy
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job of manager really is one that
requires an apprenticeship for a couple
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years under another manager and then you
have to take a written and oral test
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very much are going to law school
because it’s your job to make sure you
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producer and general manager don’t get
caught in penalties and make big
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financial mistakes on the show and the
best part of the job after James this is
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so much fun you do it $15,000,000
musical you get to spend all fifteen
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weeks it’s your job yes and it cost
$150,000 well you may not be the one
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making the ultimate decision but in
general you’re the one who’s giving them
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are injured fifty thousand build a
costume it’s cool I’ll of course I
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workout 1985 my first show having joined
the Union by then having gone through
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the apprentice program but for sure was
a chorus line and it was already running
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of course but it was handed ever
everyone to show everyone is excited to
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be working on it
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everyone was nice to each other there
was money to lure to pay for problems
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joe papp and Michael Bennet care about
the show tremendously so you could get
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things done quickly and you can learn
from it it was the best less than the
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best job I’ve ever had
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that’s awesome so you’ve taken all these
these experiences you’ve had through the
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years and turn them into this this book
the business of Broadway so what
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inspired you to write this book I will
tell you two things to very specific
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things managers and press agents talked
about this all the time and we say to
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each other if one more producer walks up
to Austin says hey I’ve got a few when
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you see why do we check out a full page
and Sunday noon
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York Times any idea how much that costs
and they look at you blank you said but
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you’re in charge of Lake stupid
decisions you ought to know that
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currently it’s over $60,000 for one time
one page and it used to be
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$140,000 when paper newspapers actually
existed end date and you don’t even have
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that much in the bank
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you want to go forum people about this
information before they make decisions
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and that was the impetus number one
these investors who don’t you can go
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with a general manager is supposed to do
and the general and the producers who
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think you know I ran a very successful
dry cleaning business I can do the same
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thing in theater
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well yeah but I don’t know how it works
so well known about why there are two
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sets of stagehands on every show and why
that makes sense as opposed to getting
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angry at it and why do musicians are
paid by the theater and not by the
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producer and why this caused this amount
why that caused that about and why you
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shouldn’t waste your marketing money on
this versus that trying to put it all in
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one book but number two i teach guests
each various colleges and the arts
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administration programs these tuning
student not know that they can work on
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broadway even if they’re not an actor
there are all of these jobs on every
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show you know I big musicals I hire 200
different positions and so how many of
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them can be actors or directors or
playwrights
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a lot of jobs and you can be part of
this exciting place and you can bring it
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back to your regional theater is opposed
to always being in
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the red in your nonprofit regional
theater you can learn about ways to earn
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a buck and you knew cedar and still have
the freedom of going back to your
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regional theater there’s a lot to learn
this way and I’m trying to encourage
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people to do it so I missed all the jobs
how much money you make how you get two
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jobs who you write to and trying to
encourage people to join us
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so you’ve created a bloop a blueprint
for her Broadway success which is
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incredibly awesome you might be the one
person who can answer this question
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better than anybody else we’ve ever
talked to on Broadway video is there any
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way to you know you brought the
extremely valid point you’ve hired two
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hundred some-odd people for show is
there any way to get control over prices
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have theater tickets if you have if you
had the magic bullet is there any way to
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do it I mean I know that it when you’re
paying 200 people a living wage you know
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it’s expensive and so you’re running
costs might be the four five six hundred
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thousand dollars a week that we hear
reported on running costs for some
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smaller show is so what do you think I i
dont wanna make a blanket statement
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chart I’m going to make a black or a hit
show all they have to do is drop the
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prices there’s plenty of money for a
show that is suffering its going to
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close anyway and even though you wanted
to run as long as possible through the
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salaries and you know joy will just not
a big hit you want to give it a chance
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but the truth is green is everywhere and
it is not the fault of the stage change
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northern musicians they make a living
wage and that’s it they’re just a lot of
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people I think regarding Union salaries
a lighting an electrician once told me
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if you don’t tell me that you need to
sink the Titanic every night on stage
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you don’t have to hire is
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many of us you can just have a set that
looks great but isn’t intricate and
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troublesome and therefore we will only
ask you to hired the fewest number of
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stagehands needed but it did producer in
the general manager come to us and say I
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need four thousand things to happen
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same moment we’re gonna tell you how
many people it takes to make that work
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eight times a week and that’s what it’s
going to cost you the money so either
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you followed the Disney he passed the
Cameron Mackintosh Braun in which you
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have to lift an entire sunset boulevard
set up into the air so that you can do a
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scene underneath it or you don’t and
that’s where the costs are it’s it’s
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wonderful to see magic on stage don’t
get me wrong but it is about to planning
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and the design that determines what the
costs are there are simple shows on
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Broadway that charge as much as the
intricate shoves without reason except
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you read what else to tell you it’s a
horror to me the problem with premium
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pricing which is great
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believe me as a manager I want as much
money for my producer and gestures as
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possible but just a kid there are people
willing to spend $450 a seat to see Book
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of Mormon is outrageous what they’re
willing and it’s very hard to drop
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prices if there are people out there
perhaps the 1 percenters perhaps not
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they’re willing to spend that money how
do we convince people to not buy those
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tickets I don’t know how to do that
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yeah it’s you know really something you
bring up sunset boulevard it’s exactly
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what I thought of immediately you know
did we need to lift the house so Joe
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Gillis could walk underneath it and sing
half of the song and things like that
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so maybe the spectacle of it all added
to it but certainly you know when you
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have shows with two hundred some-odd
people in it and they’re expensive and
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people have to make a living in its
expensive to live in New York in and
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around New York so these things happen
very few people go home with enough more
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than enough money to just pay their rent
it’s very few rich people coming out of
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these shows except in some cases the
investors and and good for them I’m not
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against that not the workers there are
very few people that I would argue with
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their salary so tell us about you know
the book you’re walking through it it’s
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it’s it’s very nicely broken down it’s
too easily understandable categories and
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so I encourage we have lots of students
said listen to this
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listen to this broadcast so if you are
somebody who wants to understand you
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know what a BRC does he know what is a
wardrobe manager do what does what is a
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sound person to what is a lighting
designer do you know other than the
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actor director and choreographer that
everybody seems to have a good grasp on
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the rest of it as a big mystery to it
and so I encourage people to pick up the
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book and get it so can they get this
drama book shop on Amazon and Barnes and
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noble.com where can they get it is
sitting drama bookshop it is on Amazon
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Barnes and Noble eject the NYU bookstore
hopefully we’re going to get some other
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university university is to use it as a
text book for some practical resource
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but we’ll see if that happens the book
just came out and you know as they said
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my hope is that it encourages people to
invest and to work on broadway yes there
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are only so many jobs but you know
people who love pets or know how you
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like training them or or raising dogs we
really have one
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phenomenal dog trainer on broadway bill
baloney there’s room for more if you
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like children we have people backstage
who wranglers in their part of the Union
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we have you like designing here you’d
only have you don’t only have to be a
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hairdresser there on every show for
designing weeks we have them on every
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show it’s it’s there’s a lot of choices
and you’re not gonna get filthy rich
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this way but you do make a living said
Roger Berlin says the best way to make a
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million dollars on Broadway’s to start
with ten million yeah it’s also very
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said you we all go into this business
thinking there’s a chance you’re gonna
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make a lot of money but not that’s not
our impetus unfortunate we arts me to be
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subsidized even with Broadway being
making a million she reaches a billion 3
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I’m sorry this year it’s still a variety
of tourists it’s it’s not enough to make
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anybody on the show go home
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rich well you know you worked at the at
the public Joseph path in Chino you
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don’t make a lot of money putting on
free parking free shows in central park
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so we have to have people out there that
come to support it so outside your book
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you have a website just learned
something that also is this a complement
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to the Booker what is just learned
something important states just loan
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structuring . us’ yes ok I dot com dot
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there there’s a way to make comments and
have a discussion with the authors we
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future discussions and updates occurs
you know every dream on some union is
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renegotiating its prices and the book
you know that we put out has the prices
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as of
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so we and updated on there are also
hoping to start a few classes you know
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outside of regular school next to no
money to just help people learn the
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practical side of the field and to see
if this is where they want to spend
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their life I’ve also worked in regional
theaters and not we are certainly not
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profits which by the way are are allowed
to make profit on Google walk if you’re
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not allowed to give it to investors
Broadway has a whole bunch of not for
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profit theaters that some of which
shouldn’t be a not for profit but that’s
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another story
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you are you working Nashville Omaha and
still hoping we get something not just
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from the book but also by just signing
up to be part of the discussion on just
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learned something that you less
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alright well thank you so much for
joining us telling us about the book it
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is the business abroad way which is
available at Amazon Barnes and Noble
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stabbing the drama book shopping get it
there too and also stop by just learned
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something that you asked to join the
conversation
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thank you so much for coming on this
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gonna talk about it and Cary and Michael
have seen it and we have to have a
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discussion about the name of the show
because it is it simply simple line
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symbol so what’s your take on simply
well back in 1961 there was a marvelous
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musical call keen about Edmund Kean the
famous Shakespearean actor of the 19th
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century and it opened with the
merchandise guy thought there was
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something new in the theater but no
actually here he is selling pictures of
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Edmund Kean some of them are in color
and some of the room black and white and
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you pay any plane one and top tennis for
the colored one so anyway he talks about
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the you just pictures of Edmund Kean in
hamlet near in Cymbeline so I’ve always
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said simply but Michael but did you say
i’ve i’ve always said Cymbeline to but
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then somebody corrected me and said
symbol I looked it up and from what I
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found it simple in so I guess we can
take a pic we should ask Christian Borle
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carry you want to weigh in here
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anything I don’t think I can come up
with any other pronunciations I think
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you guys have covered the mall I think
the Q is silence so let’s skip the
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pronunciation and we’ll go with that
show in the park
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Peter give us your view on that what do
you think so beautiful word isn’t it I
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think it’s quite a thing anyway
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symbol means a king but frankly is what
makes a lot of decisions here and while
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the decision she makes is that her son
from a previous marriage is going to
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marry his daughter now it’s she thinks
that they’d make such a cute couple
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together just in those days were talking
now mean a deal that’s a long time ago
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that in those days if a man married a
princess when the king died
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he became King so that’s what she really
wants that’s what’s going on here so of
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course the daughter Imogen has a
boyfriend herself posture misses his
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name and the Queen wishes he was outside
because she wants to kill him so it’s
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this is considered to be a number of
Shakespeare’s greatest penalty can tell
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from this production Dan Sullivan I
guess nobody told him that it was second
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to shakespeare they really make it
entertaining classic now the thing is it
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is 300 questionable setlist longtime
friend of any drama though the delicate
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on a pleasant evening not necessarily
tonight but pleasant evening you’re
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trying to get a little faster than it
might so so it’s a very good production
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I think and certainly Patrick page is is
the king of but the thing is I wonder if
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the budget is a little tight at the
Shakespeare Festival because what we’re
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dealing with here is nine people this is
this the most modest production I can
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never call in terms of cats eyes at the
delicate and then go about forty years
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but there’s a lot of doubling and the
wonderful thing about it is you might
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not even realize that especially with
who plays prosecutors the romantic lead
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and and yet please close the son of the
queen whose is a real downward and I
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think a lot of people
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prize draws say reactors abuse
especially good at the at the doubling
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well anyway posthumous brags that his
girlfriend loves him and and would never
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cheat on him but he says this at a bar
where all the spices character
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ya como and notice yakimova almost
kissed same yago I mean they’re very
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similar in the sense that the evil
people so rivals character says all into
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bed and that leads into a lot of
complications that cause everybody a lot
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of concern and a lot of problems will
hear a by the way is his image and she
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does a lovely job just a lovely job and
Patrick page has a voice that makes a
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bedroom voice that makes Barry White’s
seem like Minnie mouses ate too and
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really caperton is terrific
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not only is the queen looking like she
stepped out of a net drawing but also
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playing pool areas a guy and it’ll take
a while before some people realize that
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this is Kate Burton so this is more than
a case of you get what you pay for it
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because you really get a lot of this
production not just time but a terrific
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tour de force in terms of people
doubling but I hope it’s because the
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director said all we can do it this way
rather than the fact that Oscar Eustace
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said to him
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day and we can only afford nine people
so I’m smart fact so that’s my take on
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Cymbeline I’ve never known the Public
Theater to shy away from a budget
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yeah well I’m so sorry so readers
readers listeners emailed me and asked
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why we took so long to review this and
we want to point out that although it
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opened on that the 23rd it they started
product it started performances on the
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23rd of July and they go through the
23rd of August which is only a week away
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their official opening night was only
this week I think it was they take a
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long time before they bring people in
and you might wanna listen to our
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previous episode with Raul Esparza on
any talks about the rehearsal process
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for the second show in the park which is
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truncated above the first show seems
like the first show has the luxury of
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time but the second show is a little bit
rushed so Michael what is your take on
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this show will I noticed the doubling as
soon as I open the program which I don’t
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always do before him but this time I
didn’t get it surprised me just reading
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in the program there it is worth
mentioning that this show has a live
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orchestra but it’s only for people of
people so I guess maybe some of the
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budget went to that and by the way
they’re playing some really great music
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by Tom KITT I would say there were three
or four songs in the show and one of
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them was really really really beautiful
it’s a duet that happens
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towards the end a duet between David and
Jacob many trench did you guys notice
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that song
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yeah yeah I mean I I thought it was
really beautiful so I thought in the
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case of a posthumous Leonidas and clot
and whatever is being doubled I I kind
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of assumed that was a definite artistic
decision and and spurred on by the fact
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that the two characters and have her on
stage at the same time and it’s
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interesting because one is the the
person whom the princess is truly in
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love with posthumously in artists and
the other one is is her unwanted suitor
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and Hamish Linklater is Peter mention
he’s so good it the two different voices
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that he did and and that ridiculous week
he used for for Clottey is really
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something I I had it sting action though
he clotting displayed as a real dollar
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and and and and really vulgar and kind
of stupid and and he’s that’s his
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traditional role but but he was so
delightful as played by him is linklater
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that when he meets his end rather
abruptly I i felt really bad from you
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know and especially the way that he
meets his end
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kind of barbaric said that’s that’s
interesting but you know that’s always
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been one of the best things about
shakespeare that we see the humanity and
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some of the the less reputable
characters I as far as Kate Burton I
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thought she was fantastic and also it
was interesting to me that the role was
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played so differently from Felicia
receive shots conception of the role of
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several years ago at Lincoln Center that
it might almost have been a different
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well a different role a different player
now obviously a lot of this is due the
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director but how interesting that that
such polar opposite poor trails can be
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so effective and I thought everyone was
was created role at that it was one of
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his best roles ever I did feel I was not
bored or for a second I thought it was
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incredibly entertaining I thought that
uses the sort of play within a play
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concept was not terribly consistent
throughout the show and I also am not
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sure that it helped to have such wildly
different styles of presentation for
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certain scenes for example when roll
comes out he sings a song that was
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written exactly as a Vegas lounge act
and it was the audience loved it he
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sounded great fantastic but nothing else
in the show is like that and it did
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kinda just seemed like as fair as 57
from style to style I i suppose Dan
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Sullivan who is a great director did it
because it recognizing the the fact that
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I guess this would be called a problem
play is that what they call the wasn’t
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very good but not very good but also
what wonderful moments really there was
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one line that struck me as I I literally
went home she says something imogene
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says so much about to hand her a note
and she fears that it has bad news about
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posthumously in Addison she says
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why tender me so on tender a message and
I see that’s really beautiful will so
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good for him and and it’s it’s so great
to see it in the park as always and and
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with all of the with all the trappings
of that and you get to see a lot of the
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foliage back at this stage in this
production which you did not in the last
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one and really a very very very strong
cast across the board I completely agree
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about Patrick page David far I haven’t
seen in awhile was great to see him back
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again and Willie rabe that voice she
also has such a distinctive voice that
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she uses so so well to her advantage so
I really I think they deserve a lot of
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applause for this one and I didn’t see
this production but I was over at the
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the public’s website looking at this and
what a good-looking cast no yeah so
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carry what’s your take on this I thought
the use of the actors doubling up was to
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go with the play within a play concept I
didn’t it didn’t occur to me that they
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have cut back on the budget I thought it
just tied in with how they had the the
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crates and boxes on the sides of the
stage with the names of other players on
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them and with everyone sitting back and
watching it and I do think that claim
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the two roles was a great idea because
he got to show off his incredible talent
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in both both types of characters I’m
sure I’m sure right that that was part
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of that concept I i this was a problem
play for me because it keeping in mind
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when it was written I really struggle
with the idea of a woman’s privacy being
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violated the way it was also just so
much discussion and violence and even
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death due to the idea of someone’s
chastity so I found myself despite an
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incredible cast a beautiful setting and
I had the good fortune to be there in a
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beautiful night with great weather for
myself rolling my eyes a few times and a
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friend of mine who directed the play at
his college was watching me to see how
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it’s going to lose my cool
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I think the cast was fantastic I would
listen to Patrick page read the phone
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book and I’m thrilled absolutely
thrilled he’s going to be in the revival
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Spring Awakening I think that’s a great
role for him and I’m excited to see him
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on broadway again and I i love watching
Lily rabe do shakespeare I think that
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she brings so much strength to her
characters just the way she delivers her
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lines the way she stands by her presence
on stages is really inspiring to me and
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I think that she she finds depth and
characters that might not be found with
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in the hands of a less experienced
actress I would love to just listen to
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her and him as shit dinner in talk even
a stage in real life they probably just
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00:37:36,360 –> 00:37:39,670
have the most brilliant poetic
conversations probably and i ended
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contender I think we all like to think
that yes that’s sure I was a kid I did
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find myself kind of noticing all these
other shakespearean plays and I know if
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00:37:55,110 –> 00:37:57,830
they were referenced her just
coincidence that the idea of the
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sleeping potion the idea of the woman
dressing as a man the there are many
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plays going to in my opinion in detail
about whether or not a woman is faithful
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to her lover but felt like Shakespeare’s
greatest hits
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mashed together this one is not it in
those terms this one isn’t nearly as bad
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as much do I know that is the worst you
know because it is case at least it’s
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00:38:25,460 –> 00:38:30,380
just it’s like confined to posthumously
and others who think she’s been
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00:38:30,380 –> 00:38:34,680
unfaithful and it’s not like the whole
town is condemning Aaron it’s a
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testament to Willie and his skill that i
truly did enjoy watching much ado about
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nothing even well thinking and not so
cool it’s a real education for a 21st
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century woman to be watching these plays
and and seen in the hands of great
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actors wow this actually did happen
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and this was entertainment back then but
you know what somebody said to me when
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we were watching and this is true and we
kind of I write this together it’s it
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00:39:08,369 –> 00:39:15,040
may be that the women are the object of
of the that the scorned but it’s the men
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who are always in the wrong i mean try
to think of a of a loved her character
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in shakespeare who is a female lover
character who is not why is in and and
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00:39:29,670 –> 00:39:36,090
good and not prone to all of those these
horrible fits of jealousy and and going
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off on type tirades
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I you know I can really think it’s
always the guys I have always said
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00:39:42,390 –> 00:39:45,380
Juliette is two years ahead of Romeo
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her practical skill and the fact that
she makes fun of him the first time that
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00:39:50,210 –> 00:39:57,410
he tries to woo her she doesn’t go pray
now that’s well it’s so nice but not the
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00:39:57,410 –> 00:40:04,260
way you talking about so I like and I
loved the central Lubbock area lady am
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00:40:04,260 –> 00:40:11,070
to you know she’s nuts but but the
six-part 30 she’s a tough but that’s
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another story to ok McCarron to talk
about this a few years ago so I carry a
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surprise that symbol mean that was
produced back and 1,600 Circo
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that would surprise you that the the
attitudes that were shown there are very
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similar to the attitudes of the nineteen
eighties nineties in 2000 so I’m not
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00:40:46,710 –> 00:40:53,259
really shocked by that but let’s jump
back into the seventeen hundreds and
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where there’s there’s some little
off-broadway show that has made it to
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the great white way I don’t know if
anybody’s heard of it called Hamilton or
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00:41:02,259 –> 00:41:09,720
something like we should work on the
pronunciation of that one and Michael
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00:41:09,720 –> 00:41:13,549
carrying I have seen it peter is going
to see it this weekend he’ll talk about
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00:41:13,549 –> 00:41:21,329
it next week but I carry one with
Hamilton how much time it we got it it’s
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00:41:21,329 –> 00:41:27,619
so exciting to have seen this show and
its development going for a for a way to
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00:41:27,619 –> 00:41:34,430
Broadway and seeing what how it really
does present form of musical theatre and
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and storytelling and I think a truly
unique a new way and I think that it’s
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00:41:40,490 –> 00:41:44,980
it’s fantastic it’s got a diverse cast
that the founding fathers are all played
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by men who are not white and that the
three sisters are played by women of
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00:41:51,220 –> 00:41:55,430
different backgrounds I think that the
variety of music in the show is
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00:41:55,430 –> 00:42:01,880
absolutely stunning the storytelling
told through rap is it there’s so much
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00:42:01,880 –> 00:42:06,059
information packs into every line I’m
just in awe of lemon Miranda for writing
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00:42:06,059 –> 00:42:11,170
this and being able to take this 700
page book and all this history in all
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00:42:11,170 –> 00:42:15,769
this detail is incredibly intimate
detail about this man’s life and put it
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00:42:15,769 –> 00:42:19,339
into these reasons that I have not been
able to get out of my head since seen it
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and i also have a really deep
appreciation for how he presented the
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00:42:25,039 –> 00:42:30,720
the women and Hamilton’s life as these
truly in my opinion detailed fleshed out
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four characters and he he
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the story ended with Hamilton’s why star
stage and Hamilton standing behind her
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and her talking about what she did
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spoiler alert after he dies and I have
so much appreciation for presenting
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their marriage and their
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only and is not only being about the man
and the choreography is outstanding and
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those dancers are never off the stage
they are doing an incredible job up
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00:42:57,620 –> 00:43:01,060
there for another very lengthy musical
they never I don’t think they ever
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00:43:01,060 –> 00:43:07,870
stopped moving and I’m just so happy to
see this on broadway to see it receiving
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00:43:07,870 –> 00:43:12,760
this attention and ass acclaim and
recognition and it really does it really
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00:43:12,760 –> 00:43:18,460
does hint towards a continuing
involvement of musical theater and what
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that will be in the future
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00:43:21,180 –> 00:43:26,160
Michael what did you think yeah I was
thinking that somebody could have just
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done a color-blind cast version of 1776
but how much better now we have this
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00:43:34,470 –> 00:43:39,480
brilliant new musical that that is you
know in addition to get to the
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literature and and everyone loves it its
I kept it gives a negative about it it
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00:43:45,800 –> 00:43:52,570
it takes a historical story that
involved all white people and mostly men
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and and opens it up
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00:43:54,940 –> 00:44:02,070
choo choo people of all colors because
that’s the way it’s written and the one
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00:44:02,070 –> 00:44:06,400
of one of the salient lines in it is
immigrants we get the job done which is
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why I’ve seen the show twice once on one
side and that always gets in a credible
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00:44:11,890 –> 00:44:16,970
response from the audience that
happening at the ending that carrier 42
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00:44:16,970 –> 00:44:22,870
it’s it’s so extraordinary I i I had
tears in my eyes and people around me
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00:44:22,870 –> 00:44:26,990
were crying at the end the way it first
of all the way that Hamilton’s wife
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00:44:26,990 –> 00:44:34,900
gives him know what happens you know you
know the betrayal if you will see sexual
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00:44:34,900 –> 00:44:39,900
betrayal and then they have that moment
where where they were you actually see
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00:44:39,900 –> 00:44:45,870
them happen and that’s overwhelming and
then it goes on and then he shot and
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00:44:45,870 –> 00:44:50,780
then it turns out that she is the
custodian of his of his story his sis
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00:44:50,780 –> 00:44:56,260
history and that left the very last
moment where sheep she kind of realizes
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00:44:56,260 –> 00:44:58,490
that herself and she gets a little gasps
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00:44:58,490 –> 00:45:04,510
everyone around me Jane Lynch was
sitting behind me she was crying she had
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00:45:04,510 –> 00:45:12,369
she was like really stopping it it it’s
an extraordinary piece aight I if I
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00:45:12,369 –> 00:45:16,110
could say anything negative about the
only thing I would say is it’s so much
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00:45:16,110 –> 00:45:21,100
as being thrown at you so quickly
because rap sense to move so quickly
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00:45:21,100 –> 00:45:27,360
that I i didnt have a trouble trouble
understanding a single word but
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00:45:27,360 –> 00:45:32,290
absorbing is another question so it some
times I just kind of let it wash over me
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00:45:32,290 –> 00:45:37,580
and you know is getting the general just
went out without being able to process
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00:45:37,580 –> 00:45:42,410
each line I cannot wait for the cast
album I I know it’s going to be one of
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00:45:42,410 –> 00:45:49,850
my most played cast albums of law and i
just i mean i think every school group
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00:45:49,850 –> 00:45:53,369
in the world will see this show and it
could probably keep running on that
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00:45:53,369 –> 00:46:00,880
alone it’s it’s absolutely brilliant it
I just I’m sorry that some things get
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00:46:00,880 –> 00:46:04,790
hype undeservedly because then when
something like this comes along and
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00:46:04,790 –> 00:46:08,690
everybody goes crazy I think some
people’s reaction is two oh come on it
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00:46:08,690 –> 00:46:13,520
can’t be that good but it you know it
really is it really is that the opening
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line of the New York Times review
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00:46:15,190 –> 00:46:21,470
yes i know if i can jump back into
really quickly I also think it’s worth
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00:46:21,470 –> 00:46:25,940
noting how how lyndon well recognizes
how devoted his fans are and I think
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00:46:25,940 –> 00:46:29,080
it’s pretty awesome that for the lottery
every day the cast goes out there and
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00:46:29,080 –> 00:46:32,440
are not every day but the cast as go out
there and perform for the people who’ve
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00:46:32,440 –> 00:46:36,700
been waiting in line for hours and I
just think I’ve never seen anything like
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00:46:36,700 –> 00:46:40,270
that really happened before and I think
it’s really really sweet and wonderful
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00:46:40,270 –> 00:46:44,380
how they they recognize the devotion of
their fans when I was going backstage
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00:46:44,380 –> 00:46:48,910
interview cast member recently that the
press agent told me way to the stage
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00:46:48,910 –> 00:46:55,080
door and I thought really cause you
won’t be able to find me I need you
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00:46:55,080 –> 00:47:00,430
stand by Javier menéndez ok now that’s
what he was the one who performed Barack
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00:47:00,430 –> 00:47:01,369
Obama
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00:47:01,369 –> 00:47:04,820
Saturday afternoon but it did take
awhile to find the press agent is there
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00:47:04,820 –> 00:47:06,930
were a lot of thin air
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00:47:06,930 –> 00:47:11,290
ok question now here we are with the
show with non-traditional casting and
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00:47:11,290 –> 00:47:15,589
there’s already talk about movies movie
version now
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00:47:15,589 –> 00:47:19,300
non-traditional casting has been the
province of theater you don’t see it on
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00:47:19,300 –> 00:47:23,750
TV you don’t see the movies what will
happen with this becomes a movie will
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00:47:23,750 –> 00:47:27,589
they do it will that the public who goes
to movies who doesn’t go to theater be
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00:47:27,589 –> 00:47:34,900
thoroughly flummoxed by the whole idea
but but but but it really was a black
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00:47:34,900 –> 00:47:37,309
guy there was a white guy and I don’t
think so
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00:47:37,309 –> 00:47:42,250
Iowa that what you’re saying yeah I
guess I am well no because it’s written
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00:47:42,250 –> 00:47:48,589
specifically for that it’s it’s not as
if they’re playing the historic George
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00:47:48,589 –> 00:47:53,369
Washington and and and Aaron Burr and
lies a Hamilton etcetera
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00:47:53,369 –> 00:47:58,059
so i i think for that reason that the
movie audience should be able to accept
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00:47:58,059 –> 00:48:03,240
it unquestionably once faithful
depictions that we gotta get people with
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00:48:03,240 –> 00:48:09,579
wooden teeth and yeah really bad skin
and I mean we’re not going to see Hansen
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00:48:09,579 –> 00:48:18,210
and Katy Perry in Hamilton on in the
film of Hamilton but I could see you
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00:48:18,210 –> 00:48:26,109
know in the fact that Lin Manuel Miranda
created this this piece I don’t think
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00:48:26,109 –> 00:48:29,849
there’s any chance of that happening i
think is gonna happen the way that he
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00:48:29,849 –> 00:48:34,210
wants it to happen or it’s not gonna
happen really faithful to his his
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00:48:34,210 –> 00:48:39,119
colleagues and his friends his standby
has been down by for 10 years I remember
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00:48:39,119 –> 00:48:42,690
in his tony’s acceptance speech for in
the heights he grabbed I don’t know
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00:48:42,690 –> 00:48:46,180
about God but I believe in Chris Jackson
and look who’s playing george washington
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00:48:46,180 –> 00:48:51,220
he’s so faithful and loyal to his his
company of actors and friends I really
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00:48:51,220 –> 00:48:54,869
doubt that Hamilton will lose any of its
integrity if he was involved in it being
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00:48:54,869 –> 00:49:02,579
made into a movie so let me just weigh
in for just a minute here that I had a
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00:49:02,579 –> 00:49:09,150
very difficult time with the first maybe
10 minutes of the show to get
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00:49:09,150 –> 00:49:15,839
understand the rap and and which is
which surprising because I didn’t expect
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00:49:15,839 –> 00:49:17,040
that because
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00:49:17,040 –> 00:49:24,110
outside a musical theatre tapes I listen
to alot of rap and so I didn’t expect
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00:49:24,110 –> 00:49:28,820
that and i actually I i asked Shane
Marshall brown overtime birdies office
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00:49:28,820 –> 00:49:32,360
for a script and he sent it to me so I
can I can get back into it
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00:49:32,360 –> 00:49:39,180
reading the script I have to go see the
show another ten times I loved it so
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00:49:39,180 –> 00:49:44,320
much I I thought it was amazing and the
other thing I wanted to point out to our
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00:49:44,320 –> 00:49:50,280
listeners is that you know Lin Manuel
Miranda has been working on this for a
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00:49:50,280 –> 00:49:59,610
long time I have including in the show
notes a 2009 video of Lynn at the White
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00:49:59,610 –> 00:50:05,630
House performing a little piece from
Hamilton 2009 were talking six years ago
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00:50:05,630 –> 00:50:11,540
and he had been working on a few years
already at that point I I’m just blown
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00:50:11,540 –> 00:50:16,490
out by the production I loved it in my
discussion with other folks in the
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00:50:16,490 –> 00:50:22,420
theater community and other producers
everybody celebrate everybody’s afraid
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00:50:22,420 –> 00:50:27,090
to come in with their productions
because they feel like this is gonna be
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00:50:27,090 –> 00:50:32,760
a sweep and I wonder if you know
especially in maybe the supporting
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00:50:32,760 –> 00:50:36,420
categories were gonna have multiple
nominations in these people my cross
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00:50:36,420 –> 00:50:40,630
eliminate themselves and it’ll be
interesting to see how the politics of
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00:50:40,630 –> 00:50:48,760
the tony nomination process goes and if
the producers the producers of Hamilton
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00:50:48,760 –> 00:50:55,140
will hold back some people in different
categories so not to have them split the
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00:50:55,140 –> 00:51:00,040
vote per se and that but I loved it I
think you know we’ve been saying for
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00:51:00,040 –> 00:51:03,160
months everybody should get tickets and
it’s really hard to get tickets I think
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00:51:03,160 –> 00:51:05,900
the advanced now is in the fifty million
range
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00:51:05,900 –> 00:51:13,069
you know fifty million means that you’re
not touch you know it’s in essence sold
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00:51:13,069 –> 00:51:16,400
out not a ticket to be had for the next
year
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00:51:16,400 –> 00:51:22,119
well you know and it’s what it what a
time for the Public Theater yeah I need
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00:51:22,119 –> 00:51:27,369
to have fun home which and which just
means why did they cut the budget on
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00:51:27,369 –> 00:51:28,319
Cymbeline
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I didn’t know we didn’t know what a
night when I guess maybe it was just
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that night but for Cymbeline there were
Spanish certain search titles on screens
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00:51:39,010 –> 00:51:42,970
on either side of the state I suppose
it’s only for certain performances if
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00:51:42,970 –> 00:51:53,490
you press ASAP on your remote they go
away now I so Peter will be seeing
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00:51:53,490 –> 00:51:58,460
Hamilton next week’s it will extend our
conversation about Hamilton into the
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next week but last week or the week
before Peter you went up to Newtown
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00:52:03,539 –> 00:52:08,369
Connecticut to talk to see Liberty Smith
sinew yes this is a musical that takes
568
00:52:08,369 –> 00:52:12,010
place in the same time period is
Hamilton George Washington’s character
569
00:52:12,010 –> 00:52:19,180
some steps since character and this this
is of course the child with the terrible
570
00:52:19,180 –> 00:52:27,609
tragedy happened on December 14th 2012
where Adam Lanza’s took the and his
571
00:52:27,609 –> 00:52:31,980
mother gave him as a present and killed
her and then went to the Sandy Hook
572
00:52:31,980 –> 00:52:39,500
elementary school and executed 20 kids
and six staff members so dnt kno
573
00:52:39,500 –> 00:52:44,740
Broadway producer Michael Unger a
director and Jeffrey sabra musical
574
00:52:44,740 –> 00:52:49,079
director’s office something had to be
done and they decided to do musicals
575
00:52:49,079 –> 00:52:52,650
there each summer they do Seussical
couple of years ago and I’m telling you
576
00:52:52,650 –> 00:52:58,260
lynn errands and I looked at each other
during the show and shared what had to
577
00:52:58,260 –> 00:53:03,049
be at the point of tears each because
really was something to watch these 20
578
00:53:03,049 –> 00:53:09,900
kids up there he no wonder what they saw
as they remembered within 90 days are so
579
00:53:09,900 –> 00:53:15,010
now this was done with high school kids
middle school kids in grammar school
580
00:53:15,010 –> 00:53:21,549
kids and it’s a great show the kids I
know that when it opened in washington a
581
00:53:21,549 –> 00:53:26,450
few years ago the reviews weren’t so hot
but they’ve done a lot of work on it a
582
00:53:26,450 –> 00:53:30,140
change the concept of the show and i
think is a very smart idea it used to be
583
00:53:30,140 –> 00:53:34,289
about a guy named Liberty Smith said you
now during the Revolutionary War I was
584
00:53:34,289 –> 00:53:39,270
really responsible for a lot of things
well now it’s a young girl in history
585
00:53:39,270 –> 00:53:44,609
class named Libby Smith who is telling
the class that job after all you don’t
586
00:53:44,609 –> 00:53:50,020
know this but my great-great-great
grandfather was responsible for a lot of
587
00:53:50,020 –> 00:53:53,650
things in the revolutionary watch so
she’s essentially telling tall tales
588
00:53:53,650 –> 00:54:01,359
though we get the impression she truly
believes it but for example it was he
589
00:54:01,359 –> 00:54:06,869
who is holding that kite kite when ben
franklin had to take a break and he’s
590
00:54:06,869 –> 00:54:10,579
the one who have that shocked talk about
electricity he’s the one who had the
591
00:54:10,579 –> 00:54:14,770
idea for the Boston Tea Party which is
why I just follows call themselves the
592
00:54:14,770 –> 00:54:19,630
Sons of Liberty Paul Revere had a little
bit too much to drink before it was to
593
00:54:19,630 –> 00:54:24,529
make his midnight ride so he had to do
the driving analytic countryside the
594
00:54:24,529 –> 00:54:29,059
British economy but Paul said looked at
my wife I was drunk will you and so all
595
00:54:29,059 –> 00:54:33,089
this this is what is always very fair
civil very funny but it really is
596
00:54:33,089 –> 00:54:36,869
forrest gump set to music you know
that’s what it really is because of
597
00:54:36,869 –> 00:54:42,010
course these things truly happened but
this is marvelous marvelous subplot in
598
00:54:42,010 –> 00:54:46,809
essence the deals with how difficult it
was to be a woman during that period of
599
00:54:46,809 –> 00:54:52,130
time this year’s Martha Dandridge
Liberty loves his crazy for her she
600
00:54:52,130 –> 00:54:54,789
produces looking
601
00:54:54,789 –> 00:54:59,439
unempowered will that work but they were
on the part of women and you know my
602
00:54:59,439 –> 00:55:02,809
father was gonna marry money News don’t
have it that’s all there is to it I got
603
00:55:02,809 –> 00:55:08,339
a very many cuz I gotta be secure and
and she does and eventually showed up
604
00:55:08,339 –> 00:55:12,319
marrying George Washington to
celebrities is ostensibly left out in
605
00:55:12,319 –> 00:55:16,309
the cold however the most interesting
characters woman named Emily Andrews too
606
00:55:16,309 –> 00:55:21,119
heavily into work works for Betsy Ross
but she has the Ben Franklin has an
607
00:55:21,119 –> 00:55:26,739
apprenticeship open she wants it doesn’t
even remotely see a woman as a
608
00:55:26,739 –> 00:55:31,839
possibility in this role so as a result
you hire somebody Smith now she likes
609
00:55:31,839 –> 00:55:37,469
him she might even be able to love
Liberty Smith however he so crazy about
610
00:55:37,469 –> 00:55:44,849
that not only is is that a roadblock the
point she has contempt because my mother
611
00:55:44,849 –> 00:55:51,349
is not portrayed perhaps unfairly as the
brightest bulb on the tree she can only
612
00:55:51,349 –> 00:55:58,429
read little words that are far apart as
mentioned in the script so so he she
613
00:55:58,429 –> 00:56:03,599
just thinks that he’s just because
repudiation why would that mean anything
614
00:56:03,599 –> 00:56:07,479
in fact the reason he joins
Revolutionary Wars because he wants to
615
00:56:07,479 –> 00:56:12,659
impress her and she’s Emily says if she
loved you you would have to do anything
616
00:56:12,659 –> 00:56:19,019
at all to impress her so it’s very nice
they will get together under a very fine
617
00:56:19,019 –> 00:56:25,439
circumstances and all in sample use
Canon zoom in and cause we do have a a
618
00:56:25,439 –> 00:56:30,869
new a new nation that comes into play
here as well which is really quite good
619
00:56:30,869 –> 00:56:35,289
but I will admit to throw
620
00:56:35,289 –> 00:56:42,739
anachronism which I usually hate which I
usually hate however I think this show
621
00:56:42,739 –> 00:56:46,839
gets away with it because the kids
during the tail and a kid who’s like in
622
00:56:46,839 –> 00:56:50,919
the eighth graders so doing this type of
thing might use their criticisms
623
00:56:50,919 –> 00:56:56,479
purposely to amuse the kids in the class
are just use them because it seems
624
00:56:56,479 –> 00:57:03,829
natural to her for example to dixie cups
and a string you know the people
625
00:57:03,829 –> 00:57:06,430
communicating by can you hear me now
626
00:57:06,430 –> 00:57:11,440
george washington actually what points
makes a speech and he says I am George
627
00:57:11,440 –> 00:57:15,849
Washington and I have approved this
message things like that though this one
628
00:57:15,849 –> 00:57:18,470
i think is really really smart
629
00:57:18,470 –> 00:57:23,599
his mother suggested she try finding a
worthy suitor in philadelphia liberties
630
00:57:23,599 –> 00:57:27,589
says if you can make it there you can
make it anywhere now that’s good because
631
00:57:27,589 –> 00:57:31,020
Philadelphia New York was the big city
at that time you know so I think that’s
632
00:57:31,020 –> 00:57:36,440
a very good joke so there’s a lot of
that but I’ll tell you I was laughing
633
00:57:36,440 –> 00:57:41,300
throughout because kids doing it makes a
tremendous difference I’m not sure that
634
00:57:41,300 –> 00:57:49,680
this would really fly is well done by
adults is a real $162 ticket Broadway
635
00:57:49,680 –> 00:57:55,770
musical but it should be licensed and it
should be done by kids because a lot of
636
00:57:55,770 –> 00:58:00,010
fun is to be had and I have to admit
that when George Washington cried
637
00:58:00,010 –> 00:58:05,270
victory it almost seems like victory
over Adam Lind’s it’s impossible to
638
00:58:05,270 –> 00:58:09,530
think about those twenty kids you could
have been on that stage fact I wondered
639
00:58:09,530 –> 00:58:13,930
if the script to Libby Smith was written
so it was written some time ago if
640
00:58:13,930 –> 00:58:18,589
there’s an allusion to the right to be
around that came up during the
641
00:58:18,589 –> 00:58:19,480
revolution
642
00:58:19,480 –> 00:58:23,650
I will say there was no mention of the
Boston Massacre somehow there was a
643
00:58:23,650 –> 00:58:30,880
silence from the crowd that I think
people really trying that into what has
644
00:58:30,880 –> 00:58:35,400
happened here one thing I have to say it
into mission to Michael Ungar and ice
645
00:58:35,400 –> 00:58:39,880
sheet Alamo thrilled that was and that
kid playing Ben Franklin you must’ve
646
00:58:39,880 –> 00:58:45,420
been so thrilled the moment he walked
through the door and he said she was
647
00:58:45,420 –> 00:58:51,829
really great and the second act I don’t
but Melissa Shohei was very good at
648
00:58:51,829 –> 00:58:55,290
playing Ben Franklin really threw
herself into an area right voice written
649
00:58:55,290 –> 00:59:00,349
all that so I hope this gets license
because a lot of people who wanted to
650
00:59:00,349 –> 00:59:06,260
show sports Revolutionary War may not
have enough boys to do 1776 in fact I
651
00:59:06,260 –> 00:59:10,240
was in Stoneham Massachusetts and start
production of damn yankees with children
652
00:59:10,240 –> 00:59:15,859
and all the ball players were girls for
the washington senators this it’s a bit
653
00:59:15,859 –> 00:59:18,530
of a problem because I’m thinking about
the Yankees
654
00:59:18,530 –> 00:59:22,610
you know so you have been a bunch of
girls you should be really proud of
655
00:59:22,610 –> 00:59:28,630
yourself so so anyway this is a good
when it gets you thinking about history
656
00:59:28,630 –> 00:59:33,580
about the revolutionary war it’s really
nice at the end when Ben Franklin
657
00:59:33,580 –> 00:59:37,650
celebrates the white red and blue only
ted Ligety correctness a you now
658
00:59:37,650 –> 00:59:42,030
red-white-and-blue sounds better in
those that type of show a wonderful time
659
00:59:42,030 –> 00:59:49,490
at it and I hope I see the getting again
in school settings wow that’s wonderful
660
00:59:49,490 –> 00:59:55,810
listeners may remember that we had been
dean on the broadcast here few years
661
00:59:55,810 –> 01:00:03,450
back and I’ll put a link to that too
that Van Dien is Broadway producer he is
662
01:00:03,450 –> 01:00:07,230
a founder Broadway records which does
cast recording sent has taken an active
663
01:00:07,230 –> 01:00:13,040
interest in supporting the Newtown area
after the tragedy through the 12 14
664
01:00:13,040 –> 01:00:16,900
foundation so let’s move on
665
01:00:16,900 –> 01:00:22,750
carry you wrote a an article for play
bill that we want to talk about called
666
01:00:22,750 –> 01:00:29,860
career or children wife-beater parents
children forced to choose and we want to
667
01:00:29,860 –> 01:00:33,880
the theater parents really are
668
01:00:33,880 –> 01:00:37,390
theater professionals who are also
parents is that a good description of
669
01:00:37,390 –> 01:00:41,980
what is meant by the headline there yes
or people in the theater industry who
670
01:00:41,980 –> 01:00:45,530
are thinking about being parents but
don’t know if they can because of the
671
01:00:45,530 –> 01:00:52,670
circumstances so give us a rundown of
this article about four months of work I
672
01:00:52,670 –> 01:00:58,830
began researching collecting the
interviews back in April it was just the
673
01:00:58,830 –> 01:01:02,190
results of a lot of conversations I’ve
had with different people in the in the
674
01:01:02,190 –> 01:01:04,710
in the industry and then and women
675
01:01:04,710 –> 01:01:10,910
saying that basically unless you’re very
very rich it’s often an either or
676
01:01:10,910 –> 01:01:18,430
situation and you can have a faithful
career that you devote all your time and
677
01:01:18,430 –> 01:01:24,260
energy to or you can be apparent more
women than men did speak to me for the
678
01:01:24,260 –> 01:01:28,290
article but I fully recognize and
acknowledge this is an issue that
679
01:01:28,290 –> 01:01:33,940
affects both women and men but with a
lot of female playwrights that I spoke
680
01:01:33,940 –> 01:01:38,830
with they said that if they want to have
children they often can’t go to
681
01:01:38,830 –> 01:01:43,880
different writing retreats and workshops
centers in the summer because they can’t
682
01:01:43,880 –> 01:01:48,070
bring their children with them and then
and that can have a very negative impact
683
01:01:48,070 –> 01:01:52,400
on their work and its visibility and
when you think about how many shows
684
01:01:52,400 –> 01:01:57,220
started it wonderful places like the
Eugene O’Neill Theater Center it really
685
01:01:57,220 –> 01:02:02,099
is it really is affecting them so I’m
hoping that the article will inspire
686
01:02:02,099 –> 01:02:06,680
similar conversations about this subject
in what could what could be looked at
687
01:02:06,680 –> 01:02:12,849
again and possibly adjusted to either be
more family friendly or or don’t let the
688
01:02:12,849 –> 01:02:15,980
parents bring their kids with them I
spoke with several people from the
689
01:02:15,980 –> 01:02:21,440
awards and Julia Jordan told me about
ready nursery where parents could bring
690
01:02:21,440 –> 01:02:25,950
their children and said that it ran it
was very well received and hopefully
691
01:02:25,950 –> 01:02:30,390
that will become more of the norm
because male or female actor writer
692
01:02:30,390 –> 01:02:35,520
director anyone in this industry I
really hope that they won’t have to make
693
01:02:35,520 –> 01:02:37,420
it an either-or choice anymore it’s too
694
01:02:37,420 –> 01:02:42,680
to reference the Baker’s wife into the
woods but it was it was a big eye-opener
695
01:02:42,680 –> 01:02:46,440
for me I don’t have children myself and
I learned quite a bit from talking with
696
01:02:46,440 –> 01:02:47,869
all these people and
697
01:02:47,869 –> 01:02:54,789
I have nannies and babysat and then
around children a lot but hearing the
698
01:02:54,789 –> 01:02:58,700
the day-to-day impact as well as the
long-term impacts was very educational
699
01:02:58,700 –> 01:03:05,720
for me and I hope that article service
as an education other people as well so
700
01:03:05,720 –> 01:03:13,789
the the writer’s retreat that you refer
to set this space on writer farm yes
701
01:03:13,789 –> 01:03:19,309
because you’re just a kid who’s ur
writer and we’ve had her on the
702
01:03:19,309 –> 01:03:25,150
broadcast here before I posted on
Facebook a bunch of things from that a
703
01:03:25,150 –> 01:03:30,619
few weeks ago where she was at and she
brought her kids and she talked about
704
01:03:30,619 –> 01:03:35,700
how incredible it was to be able to
focus on your writing and also have
705
01:03:35,700 –> 01:03:40,599
childcare there but also be able to
spend time with your children later on
706
01:03:40,599 –> 01:03:44,640
in the day when you’re not in your right
and you’re writing seminars or in your
707
01:03:44,640 –> 01:03:45,200
writing
708
01:03:45,200 –> 01:03:54,220
chretien groups so I think that it is
really a lot of it seems like there’s so
709
01:03:54,220 –> 01:03:57,900
much social change happened in the last
couple of years and it’s all it seems to
710
01:03:57,900 –> 01:04:02,249
be all for the positive so I hope so
711
01:04:02,249 –> 01:04:05,619
one person said to me we put it off as
long as we can
712
01:04:05,619 –> 01:04:12,749
yeah and and for a lot of women that is
the late thirties early forties and for
713
01:04:12,749 –> 01:04:17,039
a lot of female writers that’s when
they’re hitting their stride and and
714
01:04:17,039 –> 01:04:20,400
some people have said well why don’t
they just take five years a five years
715
01:04:20,400 –> 01:04:23,759
isn’t that long of a time and then their
kids will be in kindergarten but five
716
01:04:23,759 –> 01:04:27,839
years is a really long time to not be
able to practice your craft whether it’s
717
01:04:27,839 –> 01:04:32,940
writing acting singing that’s a really
long time and try to get back into the
718
01:04:32,940 –> 01:04:38,509
field after that I’ve been told is a big
challenge all I can think of you know at
719
01:04:38,509 –> 01:04:43,009
least two people that leave immediately
to mind as two examples of people who
720
01:04:43,009 –> 01:04:47,049
sort of put their careers on hold for a
while in order to raise families Patti
721
01:04:47,049 –> 01:04:54,230
LuPone and Judy Kuhn and out solely to
that leap to mind immediately so I think
722
01:04:54,230 –> 01:04:58,720
that you know perhaps if there had been
more
723
01:04:58,720 –> 01:05:05,580
more resources as carriers discussing
that we might have seen maybe more of
724
01:05:05,580 –> 01:05:10,010
those people during those periods so
those are only two examples yeah we miss
725
01:05:10,010 –> 01:05:14,070
him desperately when they did that yes
going back to what we said about how
726
01:05:14,070 –> 01:05:18,670
long women well spent writing Hamilton
and he’s been close to a decade working
727
01:05:18,670 –> 01:05:23,700
on in the heights I think if he’d take
it just taken five years off where what
728
01:05:23,700 –> 01:05:24,660
Hamilton d
729
01:05:24,660 –> 01:05:31,109
exactly but I suppose it’s a little a
little easier for writers and actors
730
01:05:31,109 –> 01:05:36,420
because you can to some extent you can
you can right at home but what they were
731
01:05:36,420 –> 01:05:40,090
telling me about his writing her treats
is that’s where you get the workshops
732
01:05:40,090 –> 01:05:43,580
that’s where you can see your work being
done and that’s where producers will
733
01:05:43,580 –> 01:05:47,290
take an interest in it and if they can’t
go to these workshops sure you can do
734
01:05:47,290 –> 01:05:50,830
the writing but what marcia Norman said
to me was you can’t walk out into the
735
01:05:50,830 –> 01:05:56,550
street and march around with a stack of
papers shouting I have written of people
736
01:05:56,550 –> 01:06:00,290
with money to see it as people are at
those workshops and I if they can’t go
737
01:06:00,290 –> 01:06:03,880
to the workshops with the point of
writing a fabulous place of normalcy it
738
01:06:03,880 –> 01:06:08,220
produced it work on it we’re investing
the time that you put into it I have to
739
01:06:08,220 –> 01:06:14,250
also point out that on paper it’s it’s
it’s seems totally feasible to work from
740
01:06:14,250 –> 01:06:18,310
home and it just does not work
741
01:06:18,310 –> 01:06:24,380
yes I want it you know I tell you from
there the business that I built I can
742
01:06:24,380 –> 01:06:29,410
pretty much work from anywhere and I
worked I worked from home you got a
743
01:06:29,410 –> 01:06:35,640
little bill for that when I worked at
work from home for a few years and I got
744
01:06:35,640 –> 01:06:39,530
nothing done because my children
climbing on me and get children to
745
01:06:39,530 –> 01:06:43,369
totally quiet until the most important
client calls you up on the phone are you
746
01:06:43,369 –> 01:06:46,930
closing a deal are you having a
conference call and then the children
747
01:06:46,930 –> 01:06:51,950
and your spouse and the cats and
everybody will come in we can I
748
01:06:51,950 –> 01:06:56,740
eventually you know I took an office
that is 10 minutes away from my house
749
01:06:56,740 –> 01:07:00,580
just so I can go to a space to work at
and you have to get away from your
750
01:07:00,580 –> 01:07:06,980
family in order to be productive in many
cases a wonderful book called a hundred
751
01:07:06,980 –> 01:07:09,019
essays I don’t have time to write
752
01:07:09,019 –> 01:07:15,919
are about being a working parents and
the very first essay in the book has her
753
01:07:15,919 –> 01:07:20,609
top writing about being being a parent
who is a writer and then a line stops
754
01:07:20,609 –> 01:07:27,729
and then animal 7 is the next line has
come up to the computer and press that
755
01:07:27,729 –> 01:07:32,569
button and I spoke at great lengths to
this article and several other people
756
01:07:32,569 –> 01:07:37,039
told me that they had reached out for
help when they were thinking about being
757
01:07:37,039 –> 01:07:42,499
parents or had become pregnant and
thought how do I do this and I’d really
758
01:07:42,499 –> 01:07:47,549
recommend reading those essays hasta
crater and it was a big eye-opener for
759
01:07:47,549 –> 01:07:51,769
reading about being a writer and a
parent just three and she told me when
760
01:07:51,769 –> 01:07:55,319
she was pregnant with twins she didn’t
know she be able to write again and I
761
01:07:55,319 –> 01:07:58,579
think that would be a great loss to the
theater cerebral was already in place
762
01:07:58,579 –> 01:08:05,049
absolutely will carry this is incredible
series of articles that you continue to
763
01:08:05,049 –> 01:08:09,359
do one play bill and we did this on
played on clay bill so that our
764
01:08:09,359 –> 01:08:12,659
listeners can check it out for
themselves and we look forward to the
765
01:08:12,659 –> 01:08:17,900
next one and you know for months of work
that I hope that the next four months
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01:08:17,900 –> 01:08:24,099
away this was worth every minute though
I’m really happy to have written it all
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rights you let’s wrap up for today
before we go into our credits and talk
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about trivia when remind everybody that
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today including links to roles interview
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Lin Manuel Miranda YouTube video where
from 2009
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and the link to carry this article so
Peter do we have an answer for last week
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a couple weeks ago trivia yeah I had
asked what a tease musical in a rather
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famous one for that matter with a
foreword title referenced a forties
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musical and that was a woman of the year
which has a song called so what else is
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due in which Ira Gershwin’s lady in the
dark as pensions so as I said the first
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words were synonymous woman lady I also
mention that one of the world’s was
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exactly the same so the answer and by
the way you can now because Sony
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masterworks Broadway is re-releasing the
test how much was on the Eris delay but
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way back wins so it’s pretty good score
can do whatever the first to admit that
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they did as a vehicle for Lauren Bacall
and it turned out rather well I mean
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they want to score Peter stolen best
book because won best actress and
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Maryland Cooper real trooper for
playback win who was really down and out
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here she she lived in the building next
year’s to see all the time and Marilyn
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01:10:30,010 –> 01:10:36,420
was an understudy involve a year and a
half before the air happens she was
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relegated to that status and and here
she was suddenly have been one Scene one
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song and one Tony Award as a result so
she really terrific song the grass is
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always greener so whenever she was
interviewed about that she used to say
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well it is a duet you know because
Lauren Bacall was certainly part of the
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number as well and a very important part
two but it tends to be a case of people
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remember that song which Monday remember
lauren bacall anyway this week’s trivia
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question all right
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forty years of passage Chorus Line
opened and a chorus line question in
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chorus line open started previews I
should say the Public Theater the song
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in the playbill was called tits and ass
ok fine suddenly people noticing that
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nobody was laughing at the song just
really rather funny so they changed the
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title now actually they changed the
title twice this title me know today
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against him looks 3 was not the first
title they chose what was the first
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01:11:44,250 –> 01:11:54,570
title they chose between tits and ass
and danced and looks 34 I thought I knew
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01:11:54,570 –> 01:12:00,720
the story but I guess not well if you do
have an answer for that sent an email to
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trivia at Broadway video.com and we’ll
take a look at the answers that comes
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through and let you know hopefully next
week if I remember so Peter just before
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we run away we had Brian Hargrove on
last week to talk about it should have
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been you in the cast recording that’s
been released or in digital form so far
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and he talked about how great empty I
was to have picked up it should have
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been you and it’s sorta getting a lot of
a lot of response the licensing folks at
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MTI working really hard there to get
that out there which is awesome and
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which reminds me of gonna read article
about that I’m glad you brought it up to
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that and I saw on that that little
website playbill.com that there was an
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interview with Andrew Lippa and they are
one of the things that we talked about
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with wild party at CityCenter off
off-center get their cars off center
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encores off-center that wild party is
licensing the original version which is
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one of the questions I said if they
licensing but that andrew is actively
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trying to get this new version that he
rode into into regional productions and
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is
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is talking with a bunch of people about
that so if you didn’t get a chance to
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see the the AQUOS production this summer
was a very three or four performances
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very short perhaps we’ll be able to see
it around the country and I will look
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for our listeners to email us and let us
know what they think about that where
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you can call us and let us know what
they think about that her phone number
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is actually on our page a broader video
the phone number is 888 28546 66 which
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you can leave a voicemail so on behalf
of Michael port entier beautiful mission
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carry purcell this is James Moreno sink
thanks so much for listening to pro
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debuts this week of Broadway by back
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coming up on friday deals this week on
broadway we interview Mitch Weiss who is
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the author of the book business a
broadway Peter Michael in Cary join in
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for reviews helped the Public Theater’s
production is simply in the Broadway
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production of Hamilton Peter review the
twelve fourteen foundations production
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of Liberty Smith at Newtown High School
and we talked about carries article from
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playbill career or children why theater
parents feel forced to choose that plus
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more please stay tuned
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shot hello and welcome to broadly videos
this week on Broadway for Sunday August
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16th 2015 it’s a hot one here in New
York in my name is James Moreno with us
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this morning we have beautiful Asian
Michael port on tiara and carry purcell
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peter is a theater journalist and
historian with a number of books his
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most recent is the great parade which is
available everywhere his column security
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empty I creature land masterworks
Broadway Broadway select in many other
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places good morning peter i hi also with
this is Mike important here michael is a
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theater reviewer in essayists his work
appears to talkin Broadway the tops on
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time review and Broadway stars he is
also at the actual photographer whose
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photos have appeared in the New York
Times in many other major publications
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you can see it’s photography work at
five spot photos are calm good morning
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Michael morning also with this is Carrie
purcell carey is a staff writer and
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features editor playbill.com her new
column a woman’s world focuses on
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uncovering women’s issues both on and
off Broadway by highlighting successful
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women in the industry and the challenges
that they have faced she can be followed
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on Twitter at play bill Carey and her
blog carry purcell dot com twenty carry
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good morning with us today we have a
very special guest Mitch Weiss who is
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the co-author of the business of
Broadway is joining us to tell us about
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what it’s like to write a book that
talks about the Broadway business
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the subtitle of the book is an insider’s
guide to working purchasing and
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investing in the world’s greatest
theater community I met Harry you i
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James great to talk to you all thanks
for coming on I really appreciated I was
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very intrigued by this book I love the
process books about how to get from
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point A to point B in a lot of our
listeners are either students or people
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that run a regional theaters and this
type of information doesn’t very often
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make it out there because we’re so
enthralled with videos of cell phone
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people plugging stuff in on stage and
still the real information doesn’t make
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it out
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unless you come to New York and work for
a producer AGM and so I wanna know
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what’s your story how did you acquire
all this knowledge
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well it has to do with age and being
around long enough to have accumulated
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knowledge as a manager the greatest part
of the job is I know what everybody
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else’s life is about
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I know when the wardrobe person has an
answer was sick I know when someone’s
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pregnant I know someone’s drunk I know
if someone has a complaint against
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someone else I know what everyone’s
getting paid I know how they got their
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job and relatives they are every aspect
of every part of the show is very
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personal for me because that’s how I
help keep everybody working together and
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you’re talking about the general
manager’s position in a Broadway show
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right and company managed company manage
the company manager job is the day to
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day running of the show the general
manager oversees the larger picture in
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the negotiations and the setting up of
the shore and makes the largest
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decisions but the company manager is a
TV show and therefore represents the
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producer and the general manager moment
by moment basis so how did you get into
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this what was your first job in theater
and in Broadway actually I started his
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musical director and composer I had a
few shows produced originally but I
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wanted to learn from the best guess the
auction was do I become a big fish in a
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small party or do I get to be a small
fish in a big pond and I always wanted
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to work for help Prix was my dream and
my first job on Broadway was the
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original Pacific overtures working
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for how Prince wow I was the assistant
press rep which of course is not
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something nice to be but it was my would
have empty garbage can so it didn’t
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matter to me and I learned a tremendous
amount on that show in just a few months
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that it ran the same year as a chorus
line and Chicago so it didn’t have a
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chance in excuse the expression hell
yeah
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voted win two Tony Awards and it didn’t
win drama drama drama desk no wasn’t
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drunk and maybe it was best musical but
that was because it was the previous
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year from a chorus line 1011 of the big
awards and it was a wonderful show I
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I got to work with my first big
celebrity as the system I get I got to
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ask or Elizabeth Taylor Laurie backstage
an introducer to cast that was all Asian
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American South Saito and jobs for
Motorola Marco I had a lot to learn so
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I’m going through your bio here and it
says you’ve managed that’s as several
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hundred Broadway and off-broadway shows
including Tony award-winners the core a
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chorus line Grapes of Wrath and Beauty
and the Beast so how did you get from
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the system Press wrap all the way to
into the company manager and GM’s office
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heart lock part because I was constantly
introducing myself to people when
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walking into people’s offices after too
few months some Pacific overtures I
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ended up winning producer kermit bloom
gardens artists who was doing Equus and
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opening poor murderer which was not a
success and I it was better than waiting
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on tables for me and I still thought I
was going to end up a musical director
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in fact whereas I’m Pacific overtures
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as I played piano for some of these
actors in the course who were
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auditioning for other shows and they
would ask me to just cannot accompany
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them so I was keeping that you going but
I was thrilled end up on their questions
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and Paul murder and camera blooming
garden another amazing producer you know
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having done the miracle worker and Diary
of Anne Frank and of course working on
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it goes to school hallways and from
there I finally figured out what’s going
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on and let the next person I had to work
for with joe papp and it took me a
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couple years to get there and a lot of
unemployment but I eventually made it
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into the Public Theater and three and a
half years and that kind of solidified
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my life as a manager thats where I was
headed in that’s what I was going to end
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up doing so you also have been a member
of a cam since 1985 so tell our
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listeners who don’t know what a pam is
what it is and how that relates to
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Broadway yes and please anybody who’s
thinking of joining me at camp manager
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association of the actual press agents
and managers wanted 18 unions on
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broadway which amazes many people there
are very few industries that is so you
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know he’s but then again there are still
unscrupulous people out there who would
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find a way not to pay people were on
broadway if they could hold unions help
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make sure that happens he’ll make sure
we get pensions and health care it’s not
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so much that we get paid that much it’s
just the benefits and the security so I
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i very much and union guy
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job of manager really is one that
requires an apprenticeship for a couple
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years under another manager and then you
have to take a written and oral test
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very much are going to law school
because it’s your job to make sure you
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producer and general manager don’t get
caught in penalties and make big
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financial mistakes on the show and the
best part of the job after James this is
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so much fun you do it $15,000,000
musical you get to spend all fifteen
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weeks it’s your job yes and it cost
$150,000 well you may not be the one
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making the ultimate decision but in
general you’re the one who’s giving them
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are injured fifty thousand build a
costume it’s cool I’ll of course I
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workout 1985 my first show having joined
the Union by then having gone through
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the apprentice program but for sure was
a chorus line and it was already running
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of course but it was handed ever
everyone to show everyone is excited to
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be working on it
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everyone was nice to each other there
was money to lure to pay for problems
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joe papp and Michael Bennet care about
the show tremendously so you could get
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things done quickly and you can learn
from it it was the best less than the
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best job I’ve ever had
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that’s awesome so you’ve taken all these
these experiences you’ve had through the
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years and turn them into this this book
the business of Broadway so what
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inspired you to write this book I will
tell you two things to very specific
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things managers and press agents talked
about this all the time and we say to
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each other if one more producer walks up
to Austin says hey I’ve got a few when
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you see why do we check out a full page
and Sunday noon
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York Times any idea how much that costs
and they look at you blank you said but
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you’re in charge of Lake stupid
decisions you ought to know that
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currently it’s over $60,000 for one time
one page and it used to be
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$140,000 when paper newspapers actually
existed end date and you don’t even have
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that much in the bank
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you want to go forum people about this
information before they make decisions
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and that was the impetus number one
these investors who don’t you can go
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with a general manager is supposed to do
and the general and the producers who
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think you know I ran a very successful
dry cleaning business I can do the same
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thing in theater
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well yeah but I don’t know how it works
so well known about why there are two
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sets of stagehands on every show and why
that makes sense as opposed to getting
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angry at it and why do musicians are
paid by the theater and not by the
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producer and why this caused this amount
why that caused that about and why you
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shouldn’t waste your marketing money on
this versus that trying to put it all in
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one book but number two i teach guests
each various colleges and the arts
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administration programs these tuning
student not know that they can work on
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broadway even if they’re not an actor
there are all of these jobs on every
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show you know I big musicals I hire 200
different positions and so how many of
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them can be actors or directors or
playwrights
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a lot of jobs and you can be part of
this exciting place and you can bring it
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back to your regional theater is opposed
to always being in
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the red in your nonprofit regional
theater you can learn about ways to earn
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a buck and you knew cedar and still have
the freedom of going back to your
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regional theater there’s a lot to learn
this way and I’m trying to encourage
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people to do it so I missed all the jobs
how much money you make how you get two
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jobs who you write to and trying to
encourage people to join us
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so you’ve created a bloop a blueprint
for her Broadway success which is
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incredibly awesome you might be the one
person who can answer this question
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better than anybody else we’ve ever
talked to on Broadway video is there any
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way to you know you brought the
extremely valid point you’ve hired two
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hundred some-odd people for show is
there any way to get control over prices
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have theater tickets if you have if you
had the magic bullet is there any way to
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do it I mean I know that it when you’re
paying 200 people a living wage you know
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it’s expensive and so you’re running
costs might be the four five six hundred
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thousand dollars a week that we hear
reported on running costs for some
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smaller show is so what do you think I i
dont wanna make a blanket statement
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chart I’m going to make a black or a hit
show all they have to do is drop the
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prices there’s plenty of money for a
show that is suffering its going to
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close anyway and even though you wanted
to run as long as possible through the
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salaries and you know joy will just not
a big hit you want to give it a chance
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but the truth is green is everywhere and
it is not the fault of the stage change
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northern musicians they make a living
wage and that’s it they’re just a lot of
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people I think regarding Union salaries
a lighting an electrician once told me
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if you don’t tell me that you need to
sink the Titanic every night on stage
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you don’t have to hire is
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many of us you can just have a set that
looks great but isn’t intricate and
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troublesome and therefore we will only
ask you to hired the fewest number of
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stagehands needed but it did producer in
the general manager come to us and say I
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need four thousand things to happen
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same moment we’re gonna tell you how
many people it takes to make that work
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eight times a week and that’s what it’s
going to cost you the money so either
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you followed the Disney he passed the
Cameron Mackintosh Braun in which you
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have to lift an entire sunset boulevard
set up into the air so that you can do a
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scene underneath it or you don’t and
that’s where the costs are it’s it’s
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wonderful to see magic on stage don’t
get me wrong but it is about to planning
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and the design that determines what the
costs are there are simple shows on
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Broadway that charge as much as the
intricate shoves without reason except
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you read what else to tell you it’s a
horror to me the problem with premium
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pricing which is great
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believe me as a manager I want as much
money for my producer and gestures as
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possible but just a kid there are people
willing to spend $450 a seat to see Book
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of Mormon is outrageous what they’re
willing and it’s very hard to drop
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prices if there are people out there
perhaps the 1 percenters perhaps not
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they’re willing to spend that money how
do we convince people to not buy those
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tickets I don’t know how to do that
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yeah it’s you know really something you
bring up sunset boulevard it’s exactly
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what I thought of immediately you know
did we need to lift the house so Joe
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Gillis could walk underneath it and sing
half of the song and things like that
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so maybe the spectacle of it all added
to it but certainly you know when you
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have shows with two hundred some-odd
people in it and they’re expensive and
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people have to make a living in its
expensive to live in New York in and
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around New York so these things happen
very few people go home with enough more
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than enough money to just pay their rent
it’s very few rich people coming out of
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these shows except in some cases the
investors and and good for them I’m not
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against that not the workers there are
very few people that I would argue with
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their salary so tell us about you know
the book you’re walking through it it’s
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it’s it’s very nicely broken down it’s
too easily understandable categories and
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so I encourage we have lots of students
said listen to this
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listen to this broadcast so if you are
somebody who wants to understand you
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know what a BRC does he know what is a
wardrobe manager do what does what is a
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sound person to what is a lighting
designer do you know other than the
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actor director and choreographer that
everybody seems to have a good grasp on
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the rest of it as a big mystery to it
and so I encourage people to pick up the
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book and get it so can they get this
drama book shop on Amazon and Barnes and
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noble.com where can they get it is
sitting drama bookshop it is on Amazon
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Barnes and Noble eject the NYU bookstore
hopefully we’re going to get some other
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university university is to use it as a
text book for some practical resource
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but we’ll see if that happens the book
just came out and you know as they said
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my hope is that it encourages people to
invest and to work on broadway yes there
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are only so many jobs but you know
people who love pets or know how you
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like training them or or raising dogs we
really have one
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phenomenal dog trainer on broadway bill
baloney there’s room for more if you
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like children we have people backstage
who wranglers in their part of the Union
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we have you like designing here you’d
only have you don’t only have to be a
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hairdresser there on every show for
designing weeks we have them on every
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show it’s it’s there’s a lot of choices
and you’re not gonna get filthy rich
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this way but you do make a living said
Roger Berlin says the best way to make a
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million dollars on Broadway’s to start
with ten million yeah it’s also very
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said you we all go into this business
thinking there’s a chance you’re gonna
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make a lot of money but not that’s not
our impetus unfortunate we arts me to be
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subsidized even with Broadway being
making a million she reaches a billion 3
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I’m sorry this year it’s still a variety
of tourists it’s it’s not enough to make
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anybody on the show go home
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rich well you know you worked at the at
the public Joseph path in Chino you
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don’t make a lot of money putting on
free parking free shows in central park
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so we have to have people out there that
come to support it so outside your book
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you have a website just learned
something that also is this a complement
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to the Booker what is just learned
something important states just loan
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structuring . us’ yes ok I dot com dot
net their excerpts from the book on
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there there’s a way to make comments and
have a discussion with the authors we
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are gonna post
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future discussions and updates occurs
you know every dream on some union is
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renegotiating its prices and the book
you know that we put out has the prices
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as of
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so we and updated on there are also
hoping to start a few classes you know
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outside of regular school next to no
money to just help people learn the
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practical side of the field and to see
if this is where they want to spend
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their life I’ve also worked in regional
theaters and not we are certainly not
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profits which by the way are are allowed
to make profit on Google walk if you’re
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not allowed to give it to investors
Broadway has a whole bunch of not for
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profit theaters that some of which
shouldn’t be a not for profit but that’s
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another story
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you are you working Nashville Omaha and
still hoping we get something not just
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from the book but also by just signing
up to be part of the discussion on just
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learned something that you less
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alright well thank you so much for
joining us telling us about the book it
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is the business abroad way which is
available at Amazon Barnes and Noble
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stabbing the drama book shopping get it
there too and also stop by just learned
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something that you asked to join the
conversation
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thank you so much for coming on this
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gonna talk about it and Cary and Michael
have seen it and we have to have a
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discussion about the name of the show
because it is it simply simple line
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symbol so what’s your take on simply
well back in 1961 there was a marvelous
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musical call keen about Edmund Kean the
famous Shakespearean actor of the 19th
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century and it opened with the
merchandise guy thought there was
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something new in the theater but no
actually here he is selling pictures of
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Edmund Kean some of them are in color
and some of the room black and white and
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you pay any plane one and top tennis for
the colored one so anyway he talks about
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the you just pictures of Edmund Kean in
hamlet near in Cymbeline so I’ve always
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said simply but Michael but did you say
i’ve i’ve always said Cymbeline to but
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then somebody corrected me and said
symbol I looked it up and from what I
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found it simple in so I guess we can
take a pic we should ask Christian Borle
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carry you want to weigh in here
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anything I don’t think I can come up
with any other pronunciations I think
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you guys have covered the mall I think
the Q is silence so let’s skip the
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pronunciation and we’ll go with that
show in the park
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Peter give us your view on that what do
you think so beautiful word isn’t it I
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think it’s quite a thing anyway
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symbol means a king but frankly is what
makes a lot of decisions here and while
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the decision she makes is that her son
from a previous marriage is going to
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marry his daughter now it’s she thinks
that they’d make such a cute couple
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together just in those days were talking
now mean a deal that’s a long time ago
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that in those days if a man married a
princess when the king died
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he became King so that’s what she really
wants that’s what’s going on here so of
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course the daughter Imogen has a
boyfriend herself posture misses his
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name and the Queen wishes he was outside
because she wants to kill him so it’s
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this is considered to be a number of
Shakespeare’s greatest penalty can tell
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from this production Dan Sullivan I
guess nobody told him that it was second
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to shakespeare they really make it
entertaining classic now the thing is it
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is 300 questionable setlist longtime
friend of any drama though the delicate
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on a pleasant evening not necessarily
tonight but pleasant evening you’re
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trying to get a little faster than it
might so so it’s a very good production
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I think and certainly Patrick page is is
the king of but the thing is I wonder if
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the budget is a little tight at the
Shakespeare Festival because what we’re
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dealing with here is nine people this is
this the most modest production I can
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never call in terms of cats eyes at the
delicate and then go about forty years
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but there’s a lot of doubling and the
wonderful thing about it is you might
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not even realize that especially with
who plays prosecutors the romantic lead
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and and yet please close the son of the
queen whose is a real downward and I
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think a lot of people
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prize draws say reactors abuse
especially good at the at the doubling
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well anyway posthumous brags that his
girlfriend loves him and and would never
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cheat on him but he says this at a bar
where all the spices character
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ya como and notice yakimova almost
kissed same yago I mean they’re very
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similar in the sense that the evil
people so rivals character says all into
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bed and that leads into a lot of
complications that cause everybody a lot
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of concern and a lot of problems will
hear a by the way is his image and she
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does a lovely job just a lovely job and
Patrick page has a voice that makes a
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bedroom voice that makes Barry White’s
seem like Minnie mouses ate too and
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really caperton is terrific
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not only is the queen looking like she
stepped out of a net drawing but also
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playing pool areas a guy and it’ll take
a while before some people realize that
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this is Kate Burton so this is more than
a case of you get what you pay for it
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because you really get a lot of this
production not just time but a terrific
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tour de force in terms of people
doubling but I hope it’s because the
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director said all we can do it this way
rather than the fact that Oscar Eustace
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said to him
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day and we can only afford nine people
so I’m smart fact so that’s my take on
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Cymbeline I’ve never known the Public
Theater to shy away from a budget
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yeah well I’m so sorry so readers
readers listeners emailed me and asked
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why we took so long to review this and
we want to point out that although it
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opened on that the 23rd it they started
product it started performances on the
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23rd of July and they go through the
23rd of August which is only a week away
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their official opening night was only
this week I think it was they take a
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long time before they bring people in
and you might wanna listen to our
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previous episode with Raul Esparza on
any talks about the rehearsal process
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for the second show in the park which is
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truncated above the first show seems
like the first show has the luxury of
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time but the second show is a little bit
rushed so Michael what is your take on
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this show will I noticed the doubling as
soon as I open the program which I don’t
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always do before him but this time I
didn’t get it surprised me just reading
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in the program there it is worth
mentioning that this show has a live
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orchestra but it’s only for people of
people so I guess maybe some of the
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budget went to that and by the way
they’re playing some really great music
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by Tom KITT I would say there were three
or four songs in the show and one of
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them was really really really beautiful
it’s a duet that happens
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towards the end a duet between David and
Jacob many trench did you guys notice
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that song
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yeah yeah I mean I I thought it was
really beautiful so I thought in the
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case of a posthumous Leonidas and clot
and whatever is being doubled I I kind
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of assumed that was a definite artistic
decision and and spurred on by the fact
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that the two characters and have her on
stage at the same time and it’s
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interesting because one is the the
person whom the princess is truly in
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love with posthumously in artists and
the other one is is her unwanted suitor
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and Hamish Linklater is Peter mention
he’s so good it the two different voices
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that he did and and that ridiculous week
he used for for Clottey is really
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something I I had it sting action though
he clotting displayed as a real dollar
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and and and and really vulgar and kind
of stupid and and he’s that’s his
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traditional role but but he was so
delightful as played by him is linklater
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that when he meets his end rather
abruptly I i felt really bad from you
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know and especially the way that he
meets his end
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kind of barbaric said that’s that’s
interesting but you know that’s always
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been one of the best things about
shakespeare that we see the humanity and
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some of the the less reputable
characters I as far as Kate Burton I
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thought she was fantastic and also it
was interesting to me that the role was
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played so differently from Felicia
receive shots conception of the role of
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several years ago at Lincoln Center that
it might almost have been a different
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well a different role a different player
now obviously a lot of this is due the
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director but how interesting that that
such polar opposite poor trails can be
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so effective and I thought everyone was
was created role at that it was one of
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his best roles ever I did feel I was not
bored or for a second I thought it was
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incredibly entertaining I thought that
uses the sort of play within a play
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concept was not terribly consistent
throughout the show and I also am not
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sure that it helped to have such wildly
different styles of presentation for
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certain scenes for example when roll
comes out he sings a song that was
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written exactly as a Vegas lounge act
and it was the audience loved it he
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sounded great fantastic but nothing else
in the show is like that and it did
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kinda just seemed like as fair as 57
from style to style I i suppose Dan
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Sullivan who is a great director did it
because it recognizing the the fact that
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I guess this would be called a problem
play is that what they call the wasn’t
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very good but not very good but also
what wonderful moments really there was
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one line that struck me as I I literally
went home she says something imogene
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says so much about to hand her a note
and she fears that it has bad news about
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posthumously in Addison she says
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why tender me so on tender a message and
I see that’s really beautiful will so
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good for him and and it’s it’s so great
to see it in the park as always and and
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with all of the with all the trappings
of that and you get to see a lot of the
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foliage back at this stage in this
production which you did not in the last
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one and really a very very very strong
cast across the board I completely agree
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about Patrick page David far I haven’t
seen in awhile was great to see him back
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again and Willie rabe that voice she
also has such a distinctive voice that
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she uses so so well to her advantage so
I really I think they deserve a lot of
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applause for this one and I didn’t see
this production but I was over at the
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the public’s website looking at this and
what a good-looking cast no yeah so
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carry what’s your take on this I thought
the use of the actors doubling up was to
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go with the play within a play concept I
didn’t it didn’t occur to me that they
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have cut back on the budget I thought it
just tied in with how they had the the
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crates and boxes on the sides of the
stage with the names of other players on
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them and with everyone sitting back and
watching it and I do think that claim
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the two roles was a great idea because
he got to show off his incredible talent
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in both both types of characters I’m
sure I’m sure right that that was part
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of that concept I i this was a problem
play for me because it keeping in mind
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when it was written I really struggle
with the idea of a woman’s privacy being
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violated the way it was also just so
much discussion and violence and even
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death due to the idea of someone’s
chastity so I found myself despite an
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incredible cast a beautiful setting and
I had the good fortune to be there in a
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beautiful night with great weather for
myself rolling my eyes a few times and a
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friend of mine who directed the play at
his college was watching me to see how
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it’s going to lose my cool
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I think the cast was fantastic I would
listen to Patrick page read the phone
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book and I’m thrilled absolutely
thrilled he’s going to be in the revival
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Spring Awakening I think that’s a great
role for him and I’m excited to see him
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on broadway again and I i love watching
Lily rabe do shakespeare I think that
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she brings so much strength to her
characters just the way she delivers her
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lines the way she stands by her presence
on stages is really inspiring to me and
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I think that she she finds depth and
characters that might not be found with
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in the hands of a less experienced
actress I would love to just listen to
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her and him as shit dinner in talk even
a stage in real life they probably just
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have the most brilliant poetic
conversations probably and i ended
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contender I think we all like to think
that yes that’s sure I was a kid I did
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find myself kind of noticing all these
other shakespearean plays and I know if
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they were referenced her just
coincidence that the idea of the
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sleeping potion the idea of the woman
dressing as a man the there are many
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plays going to in my opinion in detail
about whether or not a woman is faithful
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to her lover but felt like Shakespeare’s
greatest hits
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mashed together this one is not it in
those terms this one isn’t nearly as bad
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as much do I know that is the worst you
know because it is case at least it’s
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just it’s like confined to posthumously
and others who think she’s been
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unfaithful and it’s not like the whole
town is condemning Aaron it’s a
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testament to Willie and his skill that i
truly did enjoy watching much ado about
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nothing even well thinking and not so
cool it’s a real education for a 21st
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century woman to be watching these plays
and and seen in the hands of great
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actors wow this actually did happen
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and this was entertainment back then but
you know what somebody said to me when
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we were watching and this is true and we
kind of I write this together it’s it
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may be that the women are the object of
of the that the scorned but it’s the men
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who are always in the wrong i mean try
to think of a of a loved her character
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in shakespeare who is a female lover
character who is not why is in and and
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good and not prone to all of those these
horrible fits of jealousy and and going
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off on type tirades
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I you know I can really think it’s
always the guys I have always said
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Juliette is two years ahead of Romeo
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her practical skill and the fact that
she makes fun of him the first time that
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he tries to woo her she doesn’t go pray
now that’s well it’s so nice but not the
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00:39:57,410 –> 00:40:04,260
way you talking about so I like and I
loved the central Lubbock area lady am
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00:40:04,260 –> 00:40:11,070
to you know she’s nuts but but the
six-part 30 she’s a tough but that’s
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another story to ok McCarron to talk
about this a few years ago so I carry a
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surprise that symbol mean that was
produced back and 1,600 Circo
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that would surprise you that the the
attitudes that were shown there are very
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similar to the attitudes of the nineteen
eighties nineties in 2000 so I’m not
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00:40:46,710 –> 00:40:53,259
really shocked by that but let’s jump
back into the seventeen hundreds and
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where there’s there’s some little
off-broadway show that has made it to
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the great white way I don’t know if
anybody’s heard of it called Hamilton or
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00:41:02,259 –> 00:41:09,720
something like we should work on the
pronunciation of that one and Michael
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00:41:09,720 –> 00:41:13,549
carrying I have seen it peter is going
to see it this weekend he’ll talk about
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00:41:13,549 –> 00:41:21,329
it next week but I carry one with
Hamilton how much time it we got it it’s
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so exciting to have seen this show and
its development going for a for a way to
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Broadway and seeing what how it really
does present form of musical theatre and
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and storytelling and I think a truly
unique a new way and I think that it’s
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it’s fantastic it’s got a diverse cast
that the founding fathers are all played
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by men who are not white and that the
three sisters are played by women of
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00:41:51,220 –> 00:41:55,430
different backgrounds I think that the
variety of music in the show is
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absolutely stunning the storytelling
told through rap is it there’s so much
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information packs into every line I’m
just in awe of lemon Miranda for writing
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00:42:06,059 –> 00:42:11,170
this and being able to take this 700
page book and all this history in all
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this detail is incredibly intimate
detail about this man’s life and put it
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into these reasons that I have not been
able to get out of my head since seen it
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and i also have a really deep
appreciation for how he presented the
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the women and Hamilton’s life as these
truly in my opinion detailed fleshed out
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four characters and he he
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the story ended with Hamilton’s why star
stage and Hamilton standing behind her
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and her talking about what she did
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spoiler alert after he dies and I have
so much appreciation for presenting
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their marriage and their
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only and is not only being about the man
and the choreography is outstanding and
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00:42:52,600 –> 00:42:57,620
those dancers are never off the stage
they are doing an incredible job up
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there for another very lengthy musical
they never I don’t think they ever
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00:43:01,060 –> 00:43:07,870
stopped moving and I’m just so happy to
see this on broadway to see it receiving
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00:43:07,870 –> 00:43:12,760
this attention and ass acclaim and
recognition and it really does it really
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00:43:12,760 –> 00:43:18,460
does hint towards a continuing
involvement of musical theater and what
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that will be in the future
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00:43:21,180 –> 00:43:26,160
Michael what did you think yeah I was
thinking that somebody could have just
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done a color-blind cast version of 1776
but how much better now we have this
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brilliant new musical that that is you
know in addition to get to the
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literature and and everyone loves it its
I kept it gives a negative about it it
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00:43:45,800 –> 00:43:52,570
it takes a historical story that
involved all white people and mostly men
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and and opens it up
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00:43:54,940 –> 00:44:02,070
choo choo people of all colors because
that’s the way it’s written and the one
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00:44:02,070 –> 00:44:06,400
of one of the salient lines in it is
immigrants we get the job done which is
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why I’ve seen the show twice once on one
side and that always gets in a credible
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00:44:11,890 –> 00:44:16,970
response from the audience that
happening at the ending that carrier 42
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00:44:16,970 –> 00:44:22,870
it’s it’s so extraordinary I i I had
tears in my eyes and people around me
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00:44:22,870 –> 00:44:26,990
were crying at the end the way it first
of all the way that Hamilton’s wife
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00:44:26,990 –> 00:44:34,900
gives him know what happens you know you
know the betrayal if you will see sexual
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00:44:34,900 –> 00:44:39,900
betrayal and then they have that moment
where where they were you actually see
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them happen and that’s overwhelming and
then it goes on and then he shot and
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00:44:45,870 –> 00:44:50,780
then it turns out that she is the
custodian of his of his story his sis
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00:44:50,780 –> 00:44:56,260
history and that left the very last
moment where sheep she kind of realizes
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00:44:56,260 –> 00:44:58,490
that herself and she gets a little gasps
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00:44:58,490 –> 00:45:04,510
everyone around me Jane Lynch was
sitting behind me she was crying she had
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00:45:04,510 –> 00:45:12,369
she was like really stopping it it it’s
an extraordinary piece aight I if I
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00:45:12,369 –> 00:45:16,110
could say anything negative about the
only thing I would say is it’s so much
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as being thrown at you so quickly
because rap sense to move so quickly
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00:45:21,100 –> 00:45:27,360
that I i didnt have a trouble trouble
understanding a single word but
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00:45:27,360 –> 00:45:32,290
absorbing is another question so it some
times I just kind of let it wash over me
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00:45:32,290 –> 00:45:37,580
and you know is getting the general just
went out without being able to process
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00:45:37,580 –> 00:45:42,410
each line I cannot wait for the cast
album I I know it’s going to be one of
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00:45:42,410 –> 00:45:49,850
my most played cast albums of law and i
just i mean i think every school group
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00:45:49,850 –> 00:45:53,369
in the world will see this show and it
could probably keep running on that
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00:45:53,369 –> 00:46:00,880
alone it’s it’s absolutely brilliant it
I just I’m sorry that some things get
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00:46:00,880 –> 00:46:04,790
hype undeservedly because then when
something like this comes along and
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00:46:04,790 –> 00:46:08,690
everybody goes crazy I think some
people’s reaction is two oh come on it
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can’t be that good but it you know it
really is it really is that the opening
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line of the New York Times review
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yes i know if i can jump back into
really quickly I also think it’s worth
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noting how how lyndon well recognizes
how devoted his fans are and I think
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it’s pretty awesome that for the lottery
every day the cast goes out there and
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are not every day but the cast as go out
there and perform for the people who’ve
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00:46:32,440 –> 00:46:36,700
been waiting in line for hours and I
just think I’ve never seen anything like
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00:46:36,700 –> 00:46:40,270
that really happened before and I think
it’s really really sweet and wonderful
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00:46:40,270 –> 00:46:44,380
how they they recognize the devotion of
their fans when I was going backstage
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00:46:44,380 –> 00:46:48,910
interview cast member recently that the
press agent told me way to the stage
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door and I thought really cause you
won’t be able to find me I need you
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00:46:55,080 –> 00:47:00,430
stand by Javier menéndez ok now that’s
what he was the one who performed Barack
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00:47:00,430 –> 00:47:01,369
Obama
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00:47:01,369 –> 00:47:04,820
Saturday afternoon but it did take
awhile to find the press agent is there
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00:47:04,820 –> 00:47:06,930
were a lot of thin air
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00:47:06,930 –> 00:47:11,290
ok question now here we are with the
show with non-traditional casting and
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there’s already talk about movies movie
version now
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00:47:15,589 –> 00:47:19,300
non-traditional casting has been the
province of theater you don’t see it on
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00:47:19,300 –> 00:47:23,750
TV you don’t see the movies what will
happen with this becomes a movie will
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00:47:23,750 –> 00:47:27,589
they do it will that the public who goes
to movies who doesn’t go to theater be
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00:47:27,589 –> 00:47:34,900
thoroughly flummoxed by the whole idea
but but but but it really was a black
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00:47:34,900 –> 00:47:37,309
guy there was a white guy and I don’t
think so
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00:47:37,309 –> 00:47:42,250
Iowa that what you’re saying yeah I
guess I am well no because it’s written
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00:47:42,250 –> 00:47:48,589
specifically for that it’s it’s not as
if they’re playing the historic George
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00:47:48,589 –> 00:47:53,369
Washington and and and Aaron Burr and
lies a Hamilton etcetera
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so i i think for that reason that the
movie audience should be able to accept
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00:47:58,059 –> 00:48:03,240
it unquestionably once faithful
depictions that we gotta get people with
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wooden teeth and yeah really bad skin
and I mean we’re not going to see Hansen
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and Katy Perry in Hamilton on in the
film of Hamilton but I could see you
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00:48:18,210 –> 00:48:26,109
know in the fact that Lin Manuel Miranda
created this this piece I don’t think
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00:48:26,109 –> 00:48:29,849
there’s any chance of that happening i
think is gonna happen the way that he
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00:48:29,849 –> 00:48:34,210
wants it to happen or it’s not gonna
happen really faithful to his his
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00:48:34,210 –> 00:48:39,119
colleagues and his friends his standby
has been down by for 10 years I remember
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00:48:39,119 –> 00:48:42,690
in his tony’s acceptance speech for in
the heights he grabbed I don’t know
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00:48:42,690 –> 00:48:46,180
about God but I believe in Chris Jackson
and look who’s playing george washington
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00:48:46,180 –> 00:48:51,220
he’s so faithful and loyal to his his
company of actors and friends I really
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00:48:51,220 –> 00:48:54,869
doubt that Hamilton will lose any of its
integrity if he was involved in it being
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made into a movie so let me just weigh
in for just a minute here that I had a
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very difficult time with the first maybe
10 minutes of the show to get
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00:49:09,150 –> 00:49:15,839
understand the rap and and which is
which surprising because I didn’t expect
535
00:49:15,839 –> 00:49:17,040
that because
536
00:49:17,040 –> 00:49:24,110
outside a musical theatre tapes I listen
to alot of rap and so I didn’t expect
537
00:49:24,110 –> 00:49:28,820
that and i actually I i asked Shane
Marshall brown overtime birdies office
538
00:49:28,820 –> 00:49:32,360
for a script and he sent it to me so I
can I can get back into it
539
00:49:32,360 –> 00:49:39,180
reading the script I have to go see the
show another ten times I loved it so
540
00:49:39,180 –> 00:49:44,320
much I I thought it was amazing and the
other thing I wanted to point out to our
541
00:49:44,320 –> 00:49:50,280
listeners is that you know Lin Manuel
Miranda has been working on this for a
542
00:49:50,280 –> 00:49:59,610
long time I have including in the show
notes a 2009 video of Lynn at the White
543
00:49:59,610 –> 00:50:05,630
House performing a little piece from
Hamilton 2009 were talking six years ago
544
00:50:05,630 –> 00:50:11,540
and he had been working on a few years
already at that point I I’m just blown
545
00:50:11,540 –> 00:50:16,490
out by the production I loved it in my
discussion with other folks in the
546
00:50:16,490 –> 00:50:22,420
theater community and other producers
everybody celebrate everybody’s afraid
547
00:50:22,420 –> 00:50:27,090
to come in with their productions
because they feel like this is gonna be
548
00:50:27,090 –> 00:50:32,760
a sweep and I wonder if you know
especially in maybe the supporting
549
00:50:32,760 –> 00:50:36,420
categories were gonna have multiple
nominations in these people my cross
550
00:50:36,420 –> 00:50:40,630
eliminate themselves and it’ll be
interesting to see how the politics of
551
00:50:40,630 –> 00:50:48,760
the tony nomination process goes and if
the producers the producers of Hamilton
552
00:50:48,760 –> 00:50:55,140
will hold back some people in different
categories so not to have them split the
553
00:50:55,140 –> 00:51:00,040
vote per se and that but I loved it I
think you know we’ve been saying for
554
00:51:00,040 –> 00:51:03,160
months everybody should get tickets and
it’s really hard to get tickets I think
555
00:51:03,160 –> 00:51:05,900
the advanced now is in the fifty million
range
556
00:51:05,900 –> 00:51:13,069
you know fifty million means that you’re
not touch you know it’s in essence sold
557
00:51:13,069 –> 00:51:16,400
out not a ticket to be had for the next
year
558
00:51:16,400 –> 00:51:22,119
well you know and it’s what it what a
time for the Public Theater yeah I need
559
00:51:22,119 –> 00:51:27,369
to have fun home which and which just
means why did they cut the budget on
560
00:51:27,369 –> 00:51:28,319
Cymbeline
561
00:51:28,319 –> 00:51:34,250
I didn’t know we didn’t know what a
night when I guess maybe it was just
562
00:51:34,250 –> 00:51:39,010
that night but for Cymbeline there were
Spanish certain search titles on screens
563
00:51:39,010 –> 00:51:42,970
on either side of the state I suppose
it’s only for certain performances if
564
00:51:42,970 –> 00:51:53,490
you press ASAP on your remote they go
away now I so Peter will be seeing
565
00:51:53,490 –> 00:51:58,460
Hamilton next week’s it will extend our
conversation about Hamilton into the
566
00:51:58,460 –> 00:52:03,539
next week but last week or the week
before Peter you went up to Newtown
567
00:52:03,539 –> 00:52:08,369
Connecticut to talk to see Liberty Smith
sinew yes this is a musical that takes
568
00:52:08,369 –> 00:52:12,010
place in the same time period is
Hamilton George Washington’s character
569
00:52:12,010 –> 00:52:19,180
some steps since character and this this
is of course the child with the terrible
570
00:52:19,180 –> 00:52:27,609
tragedy happened on December 14th 2012
where Adam Lanza’s took the and his
571
00:52:27,609 –> 00:52:31,980
mother gave him as a present and killed
her and then went to the Sandy Hook
572
00:52:31,980 –> 00:52:39,500
elementary school and executed 20 kids
and six staff members so dnt kno
573
00:52:39,500 –> 00:52:44,740
Broadway producer Michael Unger a
director and Jeffrey sabra musical
574
00:52:44,740 –> 00:52:49,079
director’s office something had to be
done and they decided to do musicals
575
00:52:49,079 –> 00:52:52,650
there each summer they do Seussical
couple of years ago and I’m telling you
576
00:52:52,650 –> 00:52:58,260
lynn errands and I looked at each other
during the show and shared what had to
577
00:52:58,260 –> 00:53:03,049
be at the point of tears each because
really was something to watch these 20
578
00:53:03,049 –> 00:53:09,900
kids up there he no wonder what they saw
as they remembered within 90 days are so
579
00:53:09,900 –> 00:53:15,010
now this was done with high school kids
middle school kids in grammar school
580
00:53:15,010 –> 00:53:21,549
kids and it’s a great show the kids I
know that when it opened in washington a
581
00:53:21,549 –> 00:53:26,450
few years ago the reviews weren’t so hot
but they’ve done a lot of work on it a
582
00:53:26,450 –> 00:53:30,140
change the concept of the show and i
think is a very smart idea it used to be
583
00:53:30,140 –> 00:53:34,289
about a guy named Liberty Smith said you
now during the Revolutionary War I was
584
00:53:34,289 –> 00:53:39,270
really responsible for a lot of things
well now it’s a young girl in history
585
00:53:39,270 –> 00:53:44,609
class named Libby Smith who is telling
the class that job after all you don’t
586
00:53:44,609 –> 00:53:50,020
know this but my great-great-great
grandfather was responsible for a lot of
587
00:53:50,020 –> 00:53:53,650
things in the revolutionary watch so
she’s essentially telling tall tales
588
00:53:53,650 –> 00:54:01,359
though we get the impression she truly
believes it but for example it was he
589
00:54:01,359 –> 00:54:06,869
who is holding that kite kite when ben
franklin had to take a break and he’s
590
00:54:06,869 –> 00:54:10,579
the one who have that shocked talk about
electricity he’s the one who had the
591
00:54:10,579 –> 00:54:14,770
idea for the Boston Tea Party which is
why I just follows call themselves the
592
00:54:14,770 –> 00:54:19,630
Sons of Liberty Paul Revere had a little
bit too much to drink before it was to
593
00:54:19,630 –> 00:54:24,529
make his midnight ride so he had to do
the driving analytic countryside the
594
00:54:24,529 –> 00:54:29,059
British economy but Paul said looked at
my wife I was drunk will you and so all
595
00:54:29,059 –> 00:54:33,089
this this is what is always very fair
civil very funny but it really is
596
00:54:33,089 –> 00:54:36,869
forrest gump set to music you know
that’s what it really is because of
597
00:54:36,869 –> 00:54:42,010
course these things truly happened but
this is marvelous marvelous subplot in
598
00:54:42,010 –> 00:54:46,809
essence the deals with how difficult it
was to be a woman during that period of
599
00:54:46,809 –> 00:54:52,130
time this year’s Martha Dandridge
Liberty loves his crazy for her she
600
00:54:52,130 –> 00:54:54,789
produces looking
601
00:54:54,789 –> 00:54:59,439
unempowered will that work but they were
on the part of women and you know my
602
00:54:59,439 –> 00:55:02,809
father was gonna marry money News don’t
have it that’s all there is to it I got
603
00:55:02,809 –> 00:55:08,339
a very many cuz I gotta be secure and
and she does and eventually showed up
604
00:55:08,339 –> 00:55:12,319
marrying George Washington to
celebrities is ostensibly left out in
605
00:55:12,319 –> 00:55:16,309
the cold however the most interesting
characters woman named Emily Andrews too
606
00:55:16,309 –> 00:55:21,119
heavily into work works for Betsy Ross
but she has the Ben Franklin has an
607
00:55:21,119 –> 00:55:26,739
apprenticeship open she wants it doesn’t
even remotely see a woman as a
608
00:55:26,739 –> 00:55:31,839
possibility in this role so as a result
you hire somebody Smith now she likes
609
00:55:31,839 –> 00:55:37,469
him she might even be able to love
Liberty Smith however he so crazy about
610
00:55:37,469 –> 00:55:44,849
that not only is is that a roadblock the
point she has contempt because my mother
611
00:55:44,849 –> 00:55:51,349
is not portrayed perhaps unfairly as the
brightest bulb on the tree she can only
612
00:55:51,349 –> 00:55:58,429
read little words that are far apart as
mentioned in the script so so he she
613
00:55:58,429 –> 00:56:03,599
just thinks that he’s just because
repudiation why would that mean anything
614
00:56:03,599 –> 00:56:07,479
in fact the reason he joins
Revolutionary Wars because he wants to
615
00:56:07,479 –> 00:56:12,659
impress her and she’s Emily says if she
loved you you would have to do anything
616
00:56:12,659 –> 00:56:19,019
at all to impress her so it’s very nice
they will get together under a very fine
617
00:56:19,019 –> 00:56:25,439
circumstances and all in sample use
Canon zoom in and cause we do have a a
618
00:56:25,439 –> 00:56:30,869
new a new nation that comes into play
here as well which is really quite good
619
00:56:30,869 –> 00:56:35,289
but I will admit to throw
620
00:56:35,289 –> 00:56:42,739
anachronism which I usually hate which I
usually hate however I think this show
621
00:56:42,739 –> 00:56:46,839
gets away with it because the kids
during the tail and a kid who’s like in
622
00:56:46,839 –> 00:56:50,919
the eighth graders so doing this type of
thing might use their criticisms
623
00:56:50,919 –> 00:56:56,479
purposely to amuse the kids in the class
are just use them because it seems
624
00:56:56,479 –> 00:57:03,829
natural to her for example to dixie cups
and a string you know the people
625
00:57:03,829 –> 00:57:06,430
communicating by can you hear me now
626
00:57:06,430 –> 00:57:11,440
george washington actually what points
makes a speech and he says I am George
627
00:57:11,440 –> 00:57:15,849
Washington and I have approved this
message things like that though this one
628
00:57:15,849 –> 00:57:18,470
i think is really really smart
629
00:57:18,470 –> 00:57:23,599
his mother suggested she try finding a
worthy suitor in philadelphia liberties
630
00:57:23,599 –> 00:57:27,589
says if you can make it there you can
make it anywhere now that’s good because
631
00:57:27,589 –> 00:57:31,020
Philadelphia New York was the big city
at that time you know so I think that’s
632
00:57:31,020 –> 00:57:36,440
a very good joke so there’s a lot of
that but I’ll tell you I was laughing
633
00:57:36,440 –> 00:57:41,300
throughout because kids doing it makes a
tremendous difference I’m not sure that
634
00:57:41,300 –> 00:57:49,680
this would really fly is well done by
adults is a real $162 ticket Broadway
635
00:57:49,680 –> 00:57:55,770
musical but it should be licensed and it
should be done by kids because a lot of
636
00:57:55,770 –> 00:58:00,010
fun is to be had and I have to admit
that when George Washington cried
637
00:58:00,010 –> 00:58:05,270
victory it almost seems like victory
over Adam Lind’s it’s impossible to
638
00:58:05,270 –> 00:58:09,530
think about those twenty kids you could
have been on that stage fact I wondered
639
00:58:09,530 –> 00:58:13,930
if the script to Libby Smith was written
so it was written some time ago if
640
00:58:13,930 –> 00:58:18,589
there’s an allusion to the right to be
around that came up during the
641
00:58:18,589 –> 00:58:19,480
revolution
642
00:58:19,480 –> 00:58:23,650
I will say there was no mention of the
Boston Massacre somehow there was a
643
00:58:23,650 –> 00:58:30,880
silence from the crowd that I think
people really trying that into what has
644
00:58:30,880 –> 00:58:35,400
happened here one thing I have to say it
into mission to Michael Ungar and ice
645
00:58:35,400 –> 00:58:39,880
sheet Alamo thrilled that was and that
kid playing Ben Franklin you must’ve
646
00:58:39,880 –> 00:58:45,420
been so thrilled the moment he walked
through the door and he said she was
647
00:58:45,420 –> 00:58:51,829
really great and the second act I don’t
but Melissa Shohei was very good at
648
00:58:51,829 –> 00:58:55,290
playing Ben Franklin really threw
herself into an area right voice written
649
00:58:55,290 –> 00:59:00,349
all that so I hope this gets license
because a lot of people who wanted to
650
00:59:00,349 –> 00:59:06,260
show sports Revolutionary War may not
have enough boys to do 1776 in fact I
651
00:59:06,260 –> 00:59:10,240
was in Stoneham Massachusetts and start
production of damn yankees with children
652
00:59:10,240 –> 00:59:15,859
and all the ball players were girls for
the washington senators this it’s a bit
653
00:59:15,859 –> 00:59:18,530
of a problem because I’m thinking about
the Yankees
654
00:59:18,530 –> 00:59:22,610
you know so you have been a bunch of
girls you should be really proud of
655
00:59:22,610 –> 00:59:28,630
yourself so so anyway this is a good
when it gets you thinking about history
656
00:59:28,630 –> 00:59:33,580
about the revolutionary war it’s really
nice at the end when Ben Franklin
657
00:59:33,580 –> 00:59:37,650
celebrates the white red and blue only
ted Ligety correctness a you now
658
00:59:37,650 –> 00:59:42,030
red-white-and-blue sounds better in
those that type of show a wonderful time
659
00:59:42,030 –> 00:59:49,490
at it and I hope I see the getting again
in school settings wow that’s wonderful
660
00:59:49,490 –> 00:59:55,810
listeners may remember that we had been
dean on the broadcast here few years
661
00:59:55,810 –> 01:00:03,450
back and I’ll put a link to that too
that Van Dien is Broadway producer he is
662
01:00:03,450 –> 01:00:07,230
a founder Broadway records which does
cast recording sent has taken an active
663
01:00:07,230 –> 01:00:13,040
interest in supporting the Newtown area
after the tragedy through the 12 14
664
01:00:13,040 –> 01:00:16,900
foundation so let’s move on
665
01:00:16,900 –> 01:00:22,750
carry you wrote a an article for play
bill that we want to talk about called
666
01:00:22,750 –> 01:00:29,860
career or children wife-beater parents
children forced to choose and we want to
667
01:00:29,860 –> 01:00:33,880
the theater parents really are
668
01:00:33,880 –> 01:00:37,390
theater professionals who are also
parents is that a good description of
669
01:00:37,390 –> 01:00:41,980
what is meant by the headline there yes
or people in the theater industry who
670
01:00:41,980 –> 01:00:45,530
are thinking about being parents but
don’t know if they can because of the
671
01:00:45,530 –> 01:00:52,670
circumstances so give us a rundown of
this article about four months of work I
672
01:00:52,670 –> 01:00:58,830
began researching collecting the
interviews back in April it was just the
673
01:00:58,830 –> 01:01:02,190
results of a lot of conversations I’ve
had with different people in the in the
674
01:01:02,190 –> 01:01:04,710
in the industry and then and women
675
01:01:04,710 –> 01:01:10,910
saying that basically unless you’re very
very rich it’s often an either or
676
01:01:10,910 –> 01:01:18,430
situation and you can have a faithful
career that you devote all your time and
677
01:01:18,430 –> 01:01:24,260
energy to or you can be apparent more
women than men did speak to me for the
678
01:01:24,260 –> 01:01:28,290
article but I fully recognize and
acknowledge this is an issue that
679
01:01:28,290 –> 01:01:33,940
affects both women and men but with a
lot of female playwrights that I spoke
680
01:01:33,940 –> 01:01:38,830
with they said that if they want to have
children they often can’t go to
681
01:01:38,830 –> 01:01:43,880
different writing retreats and workshops
centers in the summer because they can’t
682
01:01:43,880 –> 01:01:48,070
bring their children with them and then
and that can have a very negative impact
683
01:01:48,070 –> 01:01:52,400
on their work and its visibility and
when you think about how many shows
684
01:01:52,400 –> 01:01:57,220
started it wonderful places like the
Eugene O’Neill Theater Center it really
685
01:01:57,220 –> 01:02:02,099
is it really is affecting them so I’m
hoping that the article will inspire
686
01:02:02,099 –> 01:02:06,680
similar conversations about this subject
in what could what could be looked at
687
01:02:06,680 –> 01:02:12,849
again and possibly adjusted to either be
more family friendly or or don’t let the
688
01:02:12,849 –> 01:02:15,980
parents bring their kids with them I
spoke with several people from the
689
01:02:15,980 –> 01:02:21,440
awards and Julia Jordan told me about
ready nursery where parents could bring
690
01:02:21,440 –> 01:02:25,950
their children and said that it ran it
was very well received and hopefully
691
01:02:25,950 –> 01:02:30,390
that will become more of the norm
because male or female actor writer
692
01:02:30,390 –> 01:02:35,520
director anyone in this industry I
really hope that they won’t have to make
693
01:02:35,520 –> 01:02:37,420
it an either-or choice anymore it’s too
694
01:02:37,420 –> 01:02:42,680
to reference the Baker’s wife into the
woods but it was it was a big eye-opener
695
01:02:42,680 –> 01:02:46,440
for me I don’t have children myself and
I learned quite a bit from talking with
696
01:02:46,440 –> 01:02:47,869
all these people and
697
01:02:47,869 –> 01:02:54,789
I have nannies and babysat and then
around children a lot but hearing the
698
01:02:54,789 –> 01:02:58,700
the day-to-day impact as well as the
long-term impacts was very educational
699
01:02:58,700 –> 01:03:05,720
for me and I hope that article service
as an education other people as well so
700
01:03:05,720 –> 01:03:13,789
the the writer’s retreat that you refer
to set this space on writer farm yes
701
01:03:13,789 –> 01:03:19,309
because you’re just a kid who’s ur
writer and we’ve had her on the
702
01:03:19,309 –> 01:03:25,150
broadcast here before I posted on
Facebook a bunch of things from that a
703
01:03:25,150 –> 01:03:30,619
few weeks ago where she was at and she
brought her kids and she talked about
704
01:03:30,619 –> 01:03:35,700
how incredible it was to be able to
focus on your writing and also have
705
01:03:35,700 –> 01:03:40,599
childcare there but also be able to
spend time with your children later on
706
01:03:40,599 –> 01:03:44,640
in the day when you’re not in your right
and you’re writing seminars or in your
707
01:03:44,640 –> 01:03:45,200
writing
708
01:03:45,200 –> 01:03:54,220
chretien groups so I think that it is
really a lot of it seems like there’s so
709
01:03:54,220 –> 01:03:57,900
much social change happened in the last
couple of years and it’s all it seems to
710
01:03:57,900 –> 01:04:02,249
be all for the positive so I hope so
711
01:04:02,249 –> 01:04:05,619
one person said to me we put it off as
long as we can
712
01:04:05,619 –> 01:04:12,749
yeah and and for a lot of women that is
the late thirties early forties and for
713
01:04:12,749 –> 01:04:17,039
a lot of female writers that’s when
they’re hitting their stride and and
714
01:04:17,039 –> 01:04:20,400
some people have said well why don’t
they just take five years a five years
715
01:04:20,400 –> 01:04:23,759
isn’t that long of a time and then their
kids will be in kindergarten but five
716
01:04:23,759 –> 01:04:27,839
years is a really long time to not be
able to practice your craft whether it’s
717
01:04:27,839 –> 01:04:32,940
writing acting singing that’s a really
long time and try to get back into the
718
01:04:32,940 –> 01:04:38,509
field after that I’ve been told is a big
challenge all I can think of you know at
719
01:04:38,509 –> 01:04:43,009
least two people that leave immediately
to mind as two examples of people who
720
01:04:43,009 –> 01:04:47,049
sort of put their careers on hold for a
while in order to raise families Patti
721
01:04:47,049 –> 01:04:54,230
LuPone and Judy Kuhn and out solely to
that leap to mind immediately so I think
722
01:04:54,230 –> 01:04:58,720
that you know perhaps if there had been
more
723
01:04:58,720 –> 01:05:05,580
more resources as carriers discussing
that we might have seen maybe more of
724
01:05:05,580 –> 01:05:10,010
those people during those periods so
those are only two examples yeah we miss
725
01:05:10,010 –> 01:05:14,070
him desperately when they did that yes
going back to what we said about how
726
01:05:14,070 –> 01:05:18,670
long women well spent writing Hamilton
and he’s been close to a decade working
727
01:05:18,670 –> 01:05:23,700
on in the heights I think if he’d take
it just taken five years off where what
728
01:05:23,700 –> 01:05:24,660
Hamilton d
729
01:05:24,660 –> 01:05:31,109
exactly but I suppose it’s a little a
little easier for writers and actors
730
01:05:31,109 –> 01:05:36,420
because you can to some extent you can
you can right at home but what they were
731
01:05:36,420 –> 01:05:40,090
telling me about his writing her treats
is that’s where you get the workshops
732
01:05:40,090 –> 01:05:43,580
that’s where you can see your work being
done and that’s where producers will
733
01:05:43,580 –> 01:05:47,290
take an interest in it and if they can’t
go to these workshops sure you can do
734
01:05:47,290 –> 01:05:50,830
the writing but what marcia Norman said
to me was you can’t walk out into the
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street and march around with a stack of
papers shouting I have written of people
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with money to see it as people are at
those workshops and I if they can’t go
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01:06:00,290 –> 01:06:03,880
to the workshops with the point of
writing a fabulous place of normalcy it
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01:06:03,880 –> 01:06:08,220
produced it work on it we’re investing
the time that you put into it I have to
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01:06:08,220 –> 01:06:14,250
also point out that on paper it’s it’s
it’s seems totally feasible to work from
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01:06:14,250 –> 01:06:18,310
home and it just does not work
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01:06:18,310 –> 01:06:24,380
yes I want it you know I tell you from
there the business that I built I can
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01:06:24,380 –> 01:06:29,410
pretty much work from anywhere and I
worked I worked from home you got a
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01:06:29,410 –> 01:06:35,640
little bill for that when I worked at
work from home for a few years and I got
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01:06:35,640 –> 01:06:39,530
nothing done because my children
climbing on me and get children to
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01:06:39,530 –> 01:06:43,369
totally quiet until the most important
client calls you up on the phone are you
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01:06:43,369 –> 01:06:46,930
closing a deal are you having a
conference call and then the children
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01:06:46,930 –> 01:06:51,950
and your spouse and the cats and
everybody will come in we can I
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01:06:51,950 –> 01:06:56,740
eventually you know I took an office
that is 10 minutes away from my house
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01:06:56,740 –> 01:07:00,580
just so I can go to a space to work at
and you have to get away from your
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01:07:00,580 –> 01:07:06,980
family in order to be productive in many
cases a wonderful book called a hundred
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01:07:06,980 –> 01:07:09,019
essays I don’t have time to write
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01:07:09,019 –> 01:07:15,919
are about being a working parents and
the very first essay in the book has her
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01:07:15,919 –> 01:07:20,609
top writing about being being a parent
who is a writer and then a line stops
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01:07:20,609 –> 01:07:27,729
and then animal 7 is the next line has
come up to the computer and press that
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01:07:27,729 –> 01:07:32,569
button and I spoke at great lengths to
this article and several other people
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01:07:32,569 –> 01:07:37,039
told me that they had reached out for
help when they were thinking about being
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01:07:37,039 –> 01:07:42,499
parents or had become pregnant and
thought how do I do this and I’d really
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01:07:42,499 –> 01:07:47,549
recommend reading those essays hasta
crater and it was a big eye-opener for
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01:07:47,549 –> 01:07:51,769
reading about being a writer and a
parent just three and she told me when
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01:07:51,769 –> 01:07:55,319
she was pregnant with twins she didn’t
know she be able to write again and I
761
01:07:55,319 –> 01:07:58,579
think that would be a great loss to the
theater cerebral was already in place
762
01:07:58,579 –> 01:08:05,049
absolutely will carry this is incredible
series of articles that you continue to
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01:08:05,049 –> 01:08:09,359
do one play bill and we did this on
played on clay bill so that our
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01:08:09,359 –> 01:08:12,659
listeners can check it out for
themselves and we look forward to the
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01:08:12,659 –> 01:08:17,900
next one and you know for months of work
that I hope that the next four months
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away this was worth every minute though
I’m really happy to have written it all
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01:08:24,099 –> 01:08:30,159
rights you let’s wrap up for today
before we go into our credits and talk
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01:08:30,159 –> 01:08:33,289
about trivia when remind everybody that
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01:08:33,289 –> 01:08:36,460
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01:08:36,460 –> 01:08:39,179
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01:08:39,179 –> 01:08:42,449
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01:08:42,449 –> 01:08:46,019
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01:08:55,259 –> 01:09:00,019
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01:09:00,019 –> 01:09:03,809
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01:09:03,809 –> 01:09:10,269
today including links to roles interview
on Friday btw of indians interview that
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01:09:10,269 –> 01:09:14,569
Lin Manuel Miranda YouTube video where
from 2009
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01:09:14,569 –> 01:09:19,279
and the link to carry this article so
Peter do we have an answer for last week
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01:09:19,279 –> 01:09:25,829
a couple weeks ago trivia yeah I had
asked what a tease musical in a rather
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01:09:25,829 –> 01:09:31,089
famous one for that matter with a
foreword title referenced a forties
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01:09:31,089 –> 01:09:36,909
musical and that was a woman of the year
which has a song called so what else is
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01:09:36,909 –> 01:09:42,449
due in which Ira Gershwin’s lady in the
dark as pensions so as I said the first
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01:09:42,449 –> 01:09:46,389
words were synonymous woman lady I also
mention that one of the world’s was
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01:09:46,389 –> 01:09:54,159
exactly the same so the answer and by
the way you can now because Sony
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01:09:54,159 –> 01:10:00,420
masterworks Broadway is re-releasing the
test how much was on the Eris delay but
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01:10:00,420 –> 01:10:06,980
way back wins so it’s pretty good score
can do whatever the first to admit that
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01:10:06,980 –> 01:10:12,480
they did as a vehicle for Lauren Bacall
and it turned out rather well I mean
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01:10:12,480 –> 01:10:17,560
they want to score Peter stolen best
book because won best actress and
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01:10:17,560 –> 01:10:23,199
Maryland Cooper real trooper for
playback win who was really down and out
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01:10:23,199 –> 01:10:30,010
here she she lived in the building next
year’s to see all the time and Marilyn
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01:10:30,010 –> 01:10:36,420
was an understudy involve a year and a
half before the air happens she was
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01:10:36,420 –> 01:10:42,949
relegated to that status and and here
she was suddenly have been one Scene one
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01:10:42,949 –> 01:10:51,980
song and one Tony Award as a result so
she really terrific song the grass is
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01:10:51,980 –> 01:10:55,310
always greener so whenever she was
interviewed about that she used to say
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01:10:55,310 –> 01:10:59,270
well it is a duet you know because
Lauren Bacall was certainly part of the
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01:10:59,270 –> 01:11:04,619
number as well and a very important part
two but it tends to be a case of people
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01:11:04,619 –> 01:11:09,340
remember that song which Monday remember
lauren bacall anyway this week’s trivia
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question all right
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01:11:11,020 –> 01:11:16,170
forty years of passage Chorus Line
opened and a chorus line question in
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01:11:16,170 –> 01:11:20,920
chorus line open started previews I
should say the Public Theater the song
802
01:11:20,920 –> 01:11:27,070
in the playbill was called tits and ass
ok fine suddenly people noticing that
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01:11:27,070 –> 01:11:31,510
nobody was laughing at the song just
really rather funny so they changed the
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01:11:31,510 –> 01:11:38,070
title now actually they changed the
title twice this title me know today
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01:11:38,070 –> 01:11:44,250
against him looks 3 was not the first
title they chose what was the first
806
01:11:44,250 –> 01:11:54,570
title they chose between tits and ass
and danced and looks 34 I thought I knew
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01:11:54,570 –> 01:12:00,720
the story but I guess not well if you do
have an answer for that sent an email to
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01:12:00,720 –> 01:12:04,910
trivia at Broadway video.com and we’ll
take a look at the answers that comes
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01:12:04,910 –> 01:12:10,510
through and let you know hopefully next
week if I remember so Peter just before
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01:12:10,510 –> 01:12:16,480
we run away we had Brian Hargrove on
last week to talk about it should have
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been you in the cast recording that’s
been released or in digital form so far
812
01:12:20,800 –> 01:12:26,310
and he talked about how great empty I
was to have picked up it should have
813
01:12:26,310 –> 01:12:31,500
been you and it’s sorta getting a lot of
a lot of response the licensing folks at
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01:12:31,500 –> 01:12:36,260
MTI working really hard there to get
that out there which is awesome and
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01:12:36,260 –> 01:12:41,750
which reminds me of gonna read article
about that I’m glad you brought it up to
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01:12:41,750 –> 01:12:47,420
that and I saw on that that little
website playbill.com that there was an
817
01:12:47,420 –> 01:12:52,800
interview with Andrew Lippa and they are
one of the things that we talked about
818
01:12:52,800 –> 01:13:00,060
with wild party at CityCenter off
off-center get their cars off center
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01:13:00,060 –> 01:13:07,510
encores off-center that wild party is
licensing the original version which is
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01:13:07,510 –> 01:13:12,390
one of the questions I said if they
licensing but that andrew is actively
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01:13:12,390 –> 01:13:18,950
trying to get this new version that he
rode into into regional productions and
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is
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is talking with a bunch of people about
that so if you didn’t get a chance to
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01:13:24,240 –> 01:13:29,880
see the the AQUOS production this summer
was a very three or four performances
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01:13:29,880 –> 01:13:33,660
very short perhaps we’ll be able to see
it around the country and I will look
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for our listeners to email us and let us
know what they think about that where
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you can call us and let us know what
they think about that her phone number
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is actually on our page a broader video
the phone number is 888 28546 66 which
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01:13:50,410 –> 01:13:56,280
you can leave a voicemail so on behalf
of Michael port entier beautiful mission
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01:13:56,280 –> 01:14:00,210
carry purcell this is James Moreno sink
thanks so much for listening to pro
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debuts this week of Broadway by back
